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    Found this in Nisbet's Twilight of Authority. It's from Tocqueville, The Revolution:

    "The parties themselves, decimated, apathetic, and weary, longed to rest for a time during a dictatorship of any kind, provided only that it was exercised by an outsider and that it weighed upon their rivals as much as on themselves. This feature completes the picture. When great political parties begin to cool in their attachments without softening their hatreds, and at last reach the point of wishing less to succeed than to prevent the success of their opponents, one should prepare for servitude--the master is near."
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    That paints a current picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collateral Damage View Post
    That paints a current picture.
    That's what I was thinking. Nisbet cited Tocqueville in 1975: It's only gotten worse.
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    That reminds me of where the republican party is today. They have already given up their sense of governance to a single person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    That reminds me of where the republican party is today. They have already given up their sense of governance to a single person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    That reminds me of where the republican party is today. They have already given up their sense of governance to a single person.


    'Trump may destroy Republican party but he has a ‘magic’. Lindsey Graham

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    Hoo boy...A new savior every 4-8 years. Next...

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    They have already given up their sense of governance to a single person.


    You mean this guy?





    Or do you really believe we have such short memories?


    How about the Dictator over National Healthcare Vs Trump giving States primary COVID authority and letting the private sector economy do their job. And as for spreading pure partisan HATE you can't match Democrats over the Trump years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcfieldz View Post
    Hoo boy...A new savior every 4-8 years. Next...
    People's disenchantment with either political party, and politicians in general, has reached new highs. It's not just a specific party, it's how DC no longer understands that they serve the citizens, not the citizens just blinding accepting what DC decrees.

    Trump was an anomaly - someone not steeped in the stench of DC. Lord knows he had flaws, but he attempted to do things that would benefit the citizens of this country. Time has come and gone, IMO.

    Biden is the epitome of what is wrong in our political system. A dredged politician purely partisan who denied who and what he was, and spent 40 some odd years providing what benefit to this country? Can anyone even list them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collateral Damage View Post
    People's disenchantment with either political party, and politicians in general, has reached new highs. It's not just a specific party, it's how DC no longer understands that they serve the citizens, not the citizens just blinding accepting what DC decrees.

    Trump was an anomaly - someone not steeped in the stench of DC. Lord knows he had flaws, but he attempted to do things that would benefit the citizens of this country. Time has come and gone, IMO.

    Biden is the epitome of what is wrong in our political system. A dredged politician purely partisan who denied who and what he was, and spent 40 some odd years providing what benefit to this country? Can anyone even list them?
    Agree 100% with all of that.

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