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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    This case gets right to the heart of the matter, that there is no foundation, natural or constitutional, for a right to abortion, or even privacy.

    Mississippi asks U.S. Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade
    So, the Constitution provides the basis for citizens' right to be secure "in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" but the State can deny a woman the same privacy and autonomy over her uterus? As for your seeing "no foundation" for a right to privacy, the actual word may not be used, but it's what the Fourth Amendment is all about.

    This is an issue about which conservatives cannot even legitimately claim that tradition is on their side, as U.S. laws outlawing abortion were rare to non-existent until about 1880.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/healt...tes/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    So, the Constitution provides the basis for citizens' right to be secure "in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" but the State can deny a woman the same privacy and autonomy over her uterus? As for your seeing "no foundation" for a right to privacy, the actual word may not be used, but it's what the Fourth Amendment is all about.

    This is an issue about which conservatives cannot even legitimately claim that tradition is on their side, as U.S. laws outlawing abortion were rare to non-existent until about 1880.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/healt...tes/index.html

    What about babies' equal right to be secure "in their persons, houses, papers, and effects?


    But the Fourth?

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    That's at best privacy of a different nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Taking their lives is the greatest harm.

    But this case is not about that, it's about the shadowy grounds upon which this so-called right to abortion stands.
    What could be worse than a lifetime of misery being unwanted from the beginning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What about babies' equal right to be secure "in their persons, houses, papers, and effects?


    But the Fourth?

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    That's at best privacy of a different nature.
    Who is going to see to those babies' equal rights?
    You?
    We already have major problems with babies' rights.
    How many more do you think we should protect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    Who is going to see to those babies' equal rights?
    You?
    We already have major problems with babies' rights.
    How many more do you think we should protect?
    The average woman in Mississippi already has 14 kids, what's one more ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
    The average woman in Mississippi already has 14 kids, what's one more ?
    One less unwanted child?
    A lot Cotton. A lot.
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    I think it's only fair women should be sterilized after the first abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    What could be worse than a lifetime of misery being unwanted from the beginning?
    Having life and the chances it brings taken away.

    Hey, you don't want a baby, don't have one.


    Again, this is not the topic. This is: "The conclusion that abortion is a constitutional right has no basis in text, structure, history, or tradition."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    You really think the adoptions will keep the unwanted baby numbers down?
    And it only stands to reason the older kids numbers will increase.
    What will become of them?
    People waiting for babies are going overseas. They are not adopting older kids.

    Your only thinking what you want to happen, will happen. The foster parents are a different group and not always a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    I think the harm will be to the unwanted babies.
    Squish them?
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