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Thread: Red Storm Rising! Germany Buys Russian Gas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgutley View Post
    that is a lie - you apparently don't know history.



    stalin had a hand in causing wwii - remember the molotov-ribbentrop pact? Remember the lipetsk fighter-pilot school and the training of the nazi af? While soviet-german military cooperation between 1922 and 1933 is often forgotten, it had a decisive impact on the origins and outbreak of world war ii. Germany rebuilt its shattered military at four secret bases hidden in russia. In exchange, the reichswehr sent men to teach and train the young soviet officer corps. However, the most important aspect of soviet-german cooperation was its technological component. Together, the two states built a network of laboratories, workshops, and testing grounds in which they developed what became the major weapons systems of world war ii. Without the technical results of this cooperation, hitler would have been unable to launch his wars of conquest. https://warontherocks.com/2016/06/so...-world-war-ii/
    no , it isn't a lie . Your link is a sad joke , on you !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why would Russia transit energy through Ukraine when the government in Kiev is nothing more than a hostile puppet state installed the CIA? Would the US transit energy through a territory controlled by North Korea? Why do you guys take everything PJL says so personally anyway? As if his criticisms of the US government are somehow attacks on you as an individual? You realize you have literally no say in US foreign policy, right?
    No sure why you responded to me.

    PJL said that Russia needs the money and would not shut off the gas to Europe for that reason.

    I posted that in 2009 they did exactly that during the winter. That was during the world wide recession due to the financial markets collapsing. Russia was needed more money then than they do now.

    Russia needed the Ukraine to use their pipelines to the nearest port. The Ukraine taxed Russia for the use. Russia could easily have passed on the tax to the Europeans but they decided to play hardball.

    This is exactly the kind of position they could take again if they had a crush up with the EU or NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    no , it isn't a lie . Your link is a sad joke , on you !!!!

    Stop it. It is the truth. why can't you at least admit to the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    no , it isn't a lie . Your link is a sad joke , on you !!!!
    LOL. The truth struck a nerve.

    Every bit of history documented that I see describes the cooperation as the same.

    Maybe the history books in your country were scrubbed like a conservative post on US Social Media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Hey... our resident communist sympathizer thinks the Russians fought the Nazi's without much assistance from the allies. Clearly he has a problem with history.
    The reason the Russians had so many casualties in WWII is that their military was largely untrained, poorly armed, and it was treason punishable by death to surrender!

    So the Russians simply killed people in large numbers throwing themselves at German's on the Russian front to the slaughter. Nothing at all to brag about but typical of Communists who treat human beings as disposable State Property.



    And I fear the Chinese CCP will do the same thing with their standing armies given the chance no matter how many die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    The reason the Russians had so many casualties in WWII is that their military was largely untrained, poorly armed, and it was treason punishable by death to surrender!

    So the Russians simply killed people in large numbers throwing themselves at German's on the Russian front to the slaughter. Nothing at all to brag about but typical of Communists who treat human beings as disposable State Property.



    And I fear the Chinese CCP will do the same thing with their standing armies given the chance no matter how many die!
    It really is utterly pathetic , the way Americans unashamedly take all the credit for defeating the Nazis , when they were never ever capable of doing it on their own .......it's as though the rest of us were never even there , according to Hollywood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    It really is utterly pathetic , the way Americans unashamedly take all the credit for defeating the Nazis , when they were never ever capable of doing it on their own .......it's as though the rest of us were never even there , according to Hollywood.
    Actually it was you that was trying to give all the credit to the Russians.

    We had Great Britain, Australia and Canada fighting with us against Germany. We also had a two front war saving China's rear end from their humiliating losses by Japan. A little Island destroyed the mighty China empire. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Actually it was you that was trying to give all the credit to the Russians.

    We had Great Britain, Australia and Canada fighting with us against Germany. We also had a two front war saving China's rear end from their humiliating losses by Japan. A little Island destroyed the mighty China empire. LOL.
    Russia doesn't deserve all the credit at all ......but they do deserve every bit as much credit as Americans continually bestow upon themselves . .......why then has the US been dominating for the last 70 years ? ....and doing their utmost to keep all countries down and under control ?......(and made such a mess of everything in doing so). It was foolish to deny Russia all these years .....foolish , unjust and wrong .
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    No sure why you responded to me.

    PJL said that Russia needs the money and would not shut off the gas to Europe for that reason.

    I posted that in 2009 they did exactly that during the winter. That was during the world wide recession due to the financial markets collapsing. Russia was needed more money then than they do now.

    Russia needed the Ukraine to use their pipelines to the nearest port. The Ukraine taxed Russia for the use. Russia could easily have passed on the tax to the Europeans but they decided to play hardball.

    This is exactly the kind of position they could take again if they had a crush up with the EU or NATO.
    If the EU stops acting like a bunch of hostile idiots towards Russia, Russia will have no reason to play hardball. It's really that simple.

    NATO is a dinosaur that serves no purpose except to encircle Russia and keep military contractors rich. It should be abolished.

    I'm glad to see increased cooperation between Germany and Russia. I enjoy seeing the US political class and the NATO bureaucracy fail in their attempt to dominate Eurasia.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    The reason the Russians had so many casualties in WWII is that their military was largely untrained, poorly armed, and it was treason punishable by death to surrender!

    So the Russians simply killed people in large numbers throwing themselves at German's on the Russian front to the slaughter. Nothing at all to brag about but typical of Communists who treat human beings as disposable State Property.



    And I fear the Chinese CCP will do the same thing with their standing armies given the chance no matter how many die!
    Yes, the Soviet communists were willing to send as many slaves into the meat grinder as it took to beat back the Germans. But instead of letting the Germans destroy the Soviet cancer, which would have been in the best interests of Americans and western civilization, corrupt politicians in the UK and the US sacrificed hundreds of thousands of brave young Brits and Americans in defense of Soviet cancer. Patton quickly realized the folly of siding with the Russians after arriving in Berlin.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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