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    Another slimy attempt at control for control's sake involving Kratom

    Or maybe just carrying out big pharma directives.? For anyone unaware of Kratom it is an Indonesian herb used for centuries which people in America have been picking up on in recent years. I would never claim a drug to be 100% safe but this stuff can be tagged with relatively little damage. Web MD claims it had been invovled in 91/27,000 OD's studied between 2016 and 2017 in 27 states however if memory served almost all of those involve other more dangerous drugs but Kratom happened to be on board. I only know of one case where that was not the case.
    People world wide use the substance to treat pain and anxiety and opiate withdrawal. Like alcohol it can be titrated so the user does not become noticably high or so they do catch a buzz.
    But the FDA has been doggedly trying to remove our access to Kratom for years. You would think that they might have bigger fish to fry with epidemic opiate OD's a lot of which occur with legal pills sold by big pharma. In fact one would think that any relatively safe substance with even the potential to help ease opiate withdrawal would be welcomed. But oh no and kratom providers better not dare even allude to such a possibility! Only big pharma can advertise like that.
    The whole thing has perplexed me for years hence my two possible reasons
    1) Just control. Period.
    2) Just getting rid of the drug industries competition.

    They have tried to ban it and been forecd off that tact by public opinion. They aparrently got shot down a year or two ago in attempts to pressure indonesia into banning this important export and Kratom sales continue despite their making it difficult to use credit cards to buy Kratom of off the internet.
    Now they are colluding with WHO. And I think we all know how WHO feels about personal choice! Hey governement get the hell out of my business. What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

    https://kingdomkratom.com/fda-pressu...ho-ban-kratom/

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    Yes, this is government doing the bidding of big pharma and big alcohol. They don't want competition from natural remedies like kratom. It's really that simple.
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    I don't understand why people can smoke all the Pot they can and call that medicine when the short and long term ill effects are know. But take some well known herb and the FDA and Big Pharma have a fit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    I don't understand why people can smoke all the Pot they can and call that medicine when the short and long term ill effects are know. But take some well known herb and the FDA and Big Pharma have a fit!
    Marijuana is an herb.
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    So first they hand out needles to help heroine users, then legalize Pot, then mushrooms are okay. Now they want to call a natural medicine dangerous and ineffective.
    Sounds like the same things the did through COVID. I guess this natural plant product gets in the way of something big pharma wants to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    So first they hand out needles to help heroine users, then legalize Pot, then mushrooms are okay. Now they want to call a natural medicine dangerous and ineffective.
    Sounds like the same things the did through COVID. I guess this natural plant product gets in the way of something big pharma wants to sell.


    Yeah.....Pain Killers that cause all other kinds of side effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah.....Pain Killers that cause all other kinds of side effects.
    But we will give you a discount coupon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Or maybe just carrying out big pharma directives.? For anyone unaware of Kratom it is an Indonesian herb used for centuries which people in America have been picking up on in recent years. I would never claim a drug to be 100% safe but this stuff can be tagged with relatively little damage. Web MD claims it had been invovled in 91/27,000 OD's studied between 2016 and 2017 in 27 states however if memory served almost all of those involve other more dangerous drugs but Kratom happened to be on board. I only know of one case where that was not the case.
    People world wide use the substance to treat pain and anxiety and opiate withdrawal. Like alcohol it can be titrated so the user does not become noticably high or so they do catch a buzz.
    But the FDA has been doggedly trying to remove our access to Kratom for years. You would think that they might have bigger fish to fry with epidemic opiate OD's a lot of which occur with legal pills sold by big pharma. In fact one would think that any relatively safe substance with even the potential to help ease opiate withdrawal would be welcomed. But oh no and kratom providers better not dare even allude to such a possibility! Only big pharma can advertise like that.
    The whole thing has perplexed me for years hence my two possible reasons
    1) Just control. Period.
    2) Just getting rid of the drug industries competition.

    They have tried to ban it and been forecd off that tact by public opinion. They aparrently got shot down a year or two ago in attempts to pressure indonesia into banning this important export and Kratom sales continue despite their making it difficult to use credit cards to buy Kratom of off the internet.
    Now they are colluding with WHO. And I think we all know how WHO feels about personal choice! Hey governement get the hell out of my business. What ever happened to "my body my choice"?

    https://kingdomkratom.com/fda-pressu...ho-ban-kratom/
    I use kratom regularly. I have read about these supposed overdoses and I can't wrap my mind around how that's physically possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    I don't understand why people can smoke all the Pot they can and call that medicine when the short and long term ill effects are know. But take some well known herb and the FDA and Big Pharma have a fit!

    Pot is "on the books " now. So they can regualte it, tax it and manipulate it . They kept it illegal as long as they could now they'll change it to their advantage. Big tobacco is involved and if they really gave a damn they'd of never allowed that. Expect much more addictive MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I use kratom regularly. I have read about these supposed overdoses and I can't wrap my mind around how that's physically possible.
    Right I would think people would blow chow first. When I have looked at these claims it's almost always simply another compound along with more dangerous ones. I mean I would recomomend a new user start slow be reasonable but that's the case with anything.
    The only case I saw that claimed no other drugs in the system was a cop from the adirondacks . There are always outliers. It could have been something they didn't test for or maybe even something he used a weightlifter? Maybe an alergy? Who knows obviously a tragedy but an unusal one.
    The "dance puppet dance " control they want to exert over us never ceases to amaze me. Especially when the globalist get involved!

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