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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Read better.

    Here is what I said:



    After that early time, we came to better understand the virus and acted accordingly. But red states did not act accordingly. Week after week, they continuously had the worst daily infection/death numbers. I linked you to the latest example of their still ongoing stupidity.

    As for death totals...

    I do not have to quote you death totals because I made no claim regarding death totals (see above). I was talking about ongoing infections/death. Your first clue to that should have been when I excluded that "early" time period (see above).

    But we certainly can talk about death tolls if you want. On a per capita basis, blue states NJ, NY, MA, RI have had the highest overall death toll to date. This is due to a combination of being a densely packed, international travel hub and being ambushed in the beginning before we understood what was happening.

    This ancient and easily explained death toll is irrelevant unless you are a historian. The only thing that is important is that we learn from our mistakes. Put out the fire before you assess the damage. I see little sign of "learning" in most red states.
    My God...you lie like a rug.

    No, here is what you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Republican States lead in infections and deaths.
    They are generally both anti mask and anti vax.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Throughout the pandemic, with the exception of the early surprise attack in the densely populated tristate area, red states have led the pack in infections and death. The whole time they tried to convince both the rest of the country as well as themselves that the virus was a hoax, masks were a hoax, lockdowns don't work, and now they reject the vaccine.

    If Republicans are so smart why are 9 of the top ten worst covid states Republican?

    You can tell us masks don't work all you want. But it's you people who are sick and dying. We are not. Don't put away your masks. Put away your bravado.
    Now, again, do you have any source for this claim? Do red states lead in deaths? Do they lead in death rate? Of course they don't. You either lied, were misinformed or just pulled that out of your partisan ass. regardless of your excuses, NJ had a mask mandate effective mid-March 2020. So did you NY. Masks work!

    BTW, I love how the death toll is now "ancient". How pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is data from the last few weeks. Spun! ROFL Gee, how did I know you would try this?

    So, again, can you cite data showing "red states" lead among deaths? If you can't, just say so.
    That's how they do it.

    Cherry-picking and lying by omission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    To a non-brainwashed person of normal intelligence...
    Well, that rules you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    My God...you lie like a rug.
    Nice one.


    No, here is what you said.
    Republican States lead in infections and deaths.
    Yes, and l was exactly right when i said that. If you are unclear on my meaning, you are allowed to ask for clarification. But you are not allowed to tell me what I meant by it.

    Republican states currently comprise 8 of the top 10 worst covid states. That is not a one-off. See below.

    The site I linked to allows you to download the data spreadsheet (csv). I invite you to pick any 5 dates spaced a month apart, after the first wave, and compare states yourself. That's what I did below. Here are the top 10 states with highest death rates from covid (7-day moving average and normalized for population) on various dates.

    (red legislatures with a blue governor are indicated by with bold lettering)

    Aug 1 Sep 1 Oct 1 Nov 1 Dec 1
    Mississippi Mississippi North Dakota North Dakota South Dakota
    Texas Georgia Arkansas Arkansas North Dakota
    Arizona South Carolina Mississippi Mississippi Ohio
    Florida Louisiana Florida Florida Indiana
    South Carolina Florida South Dakota South Dakota New Mexico
    Louisiana Arizona Tennessee Tennessee Nebraska
    Nevada Arkansas South Carolina South Carolina Illinois
    Georgia Alabama Georgia Georgia Michigan
    Alabama Texas Texas Texas Montana
    Idaho Nevada North Carolina North Carolina Wyoming

    Now, again, do you have any source for this claim? Do red states lead in deaths? Do they lead in death rate? Of course they don't.
    1) I already gave you a source. Please stop repeating yourself.
    2) Red states do not lead in overall total deaths for reasons explained previously.
    3) Red states DO lead in death rates any time after the first wave.

    You either lied, were misinformed or just pulled that out of your partisan ass.
    None of the above.
    1) I see no point in lying.
    2) Misinformation is not a concern. The data comes from John Hopkins U.
    3) Again, the data is from John Hopkins University, not my ass.


    regardless of your excuses, NJ had a mask mandate effective mid-March 2020. So did you NY. Masks work!
    As I recall, at the time...
    1) compliance with the mask mandate was poor
    2) availability of masks was also poor.
    3) our experience with avoiding and understanding covid was very limited.

    Also, I offered no "excuses". You should probably start coming up with some though.

    BTW, I love how the death toll is now "ancient". How pathetic.
    Yes. It's ancient history, as it came from a time period when we didn't have a clue what we were doing. We were beginners, sans beginners luck. Counting our very first encounter with coronavirus is very unreasonable of you and intellectually dishonest.

    You are well aware...

    1) That the entire area was ambushed by something we did not yet understand.
    2) The area is densely populated.
    3) And it is a major port for international travelers.
    4) mask compliance and availability was low.

    The perfect storm.


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    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's how they do it.

    Cherry-picking and lying by omission.
    What data would you like to use?

    The data that includes our very first encounter with coronavirus? Back when we were naive? unprepared? unaware how long it had already been here?


    You can pretend none of that matters, but you are only fooling yourself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Nice one.



    Yes, and l was exactly right when i said that. If you are unclear on my meaning, you are allowed to ask for clarification. But you are not allowed to tell me what I meant by it.

    Republican states currently comprise 8 of the top 10 worst covid states. That is not a one-off. See below.

    The site I linked to allows you to download the data spreadsheet (csv). I invite you to pick any 5 dates spaced a month apart, after the first wave, and compare states yourself. That's what I did below. Here are the top 10 states with highest death rates from covid (7-day moving average and normalized for population) on various dates.

    (red legislatures with a blue governor are indicated by with bold lettering)

    Aug 1 Sep 1 Oct 1 Nov 1 Dec 1
    Mississippi Mississippi North Dakota North Dakota South Dakota
    Texas Georgia Arkansas Arkansas North Dakota
    Arizona South Carolina Mississippi Mississippi Ohio
    Florida Louisiana Florida Florida Indiana
    South Carolina Florida South Dakota South Dakota New Mexico
    Louisiana Arizona Tennessee Tennessee Nebraska
    Nevada Arkansas South Carolina South Carolina Illinois
    Georgia Alabama Georgia Georgia Michigan
    Alabama Texas Texas Texas Montana
    Idaho Nevada North Carolina North Carolina Wyoming


    1) I already gave you a source. Please stop repeating yourself.
    2) Red states do not lead in overall total deaths for reasons explained previously.
    3) Red states DO lead in death rates any time after the first wave.


    None of the above.
    1) I see no point in lying.
    2) Misinformation is not a concern. The data comes from John Hopkins U.
    3) Again, the data is from John Hopkins University, not my ass.



    As I recall, at the time...
    1) compliance with the mask mandate was poor
    2) availability of masks was also poor.
    3) our experience with avoiding and understanding covid was very limited.

    Also, I offered no "excuses". You should probably start coming up with some though.


    Yes. It's ancient history, as it came from a time period when we didn't have a clue what we were doing. We were beginners, sans beginners luck. Counting our very first encounter with coronavirus is very unreasonable of you and intellectually dishonest.

    You are well aware...

    1) That the entire area was ambushed by something we did not yet understand.
    2) The area is densely populated.
    3) And it is a major port for international travelers.
    4) mask compliance and availability was low.

    The perfect storm.
    Another LiquidGuy manifesto.

    Your words were perfectly clear. Shall we cite them again?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Republican States lead in infections and deaths.
    They are generally both anti mask and anti vax.
    What you call clarification is actually known as backtracking. I asked if you had any data showing this. No, you don't. That's because...

    2) Red states do not lead in overall total deaths for reasons explained previously.
    Nor do they lead in overall death rate. Why not just say that right away and spare us this nonsense? Looks like we're done on that point. Now we'll move on to your 1st set of excuses for blue states. What a hack...

    Mask compliance was poor? Effective March 16th or 17th I couldn't actually go anywhere without a face covering. Of course that really didn't matter at the time because there was no where to go aside from the grocery store and the liquor store. lol Everything was closed. Now, do you have data showing this? Or do we revise your claim again?

    Masks were in short supply? I had multiple masks within a couple of weeks. Do you mean N95 masks?

    What do we know now that makes a difference in this context? We were told to wear a mask, maintain at least a 6 foot distance, wash your hands frequently, don't touch your face etc. Mass gatherings were strictly forbidden (except for riots lol). Was there something else? What changed?
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    Fascinating. CNN told us in July that cases are surging across the country and in virtually every state. The source is your friends at John Hopkins! lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    What data would you like to use?

    The data that includes our very first encounter with coronavirus? Back when we were naive? unprepared? unaware how long it had already been here?


    You can pretend none of that matters, but you are only fooling yourself.
    How long did our "very first encounter" last? A year? LOL
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    Oh, and red states don't lead in total "infections" either.
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    There are a few more problems with LiquidGuy's argument but I will save that for tomorrow in anticipation of his likely responses.
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