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    The Tyranny of Experts

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    ...The term “administrative state” has come to have a variety of meanings, but at its core it points to the situation in contemporary American government, created largely although not entirely by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, whereby a large, unelected bureaucracy is empowered with significant governing authority. The fundamental question for many of those making reference to an “administrative state” is how it can be squared with government by consent and with the constitutional separation-of-powers system.

    Nominally, the agencies comprising the bureaucracy reside within the executive branch, but their powers transcend the traditional boundaries of executive power to include both legislative and judicial functions; these powers are often exercised in a manner largely independent of presidential control and of political control altogether. Given the vast array of activities in which the national government has involved itself in the post-New Deal era, the political branches of government have come to rely heavily on the expertise of bureaucratic agencies, often ceding to them significant responsibility to set, execute, and adjudicate national policy. The major policy debates during the current and most recent presidential administrations show that the administrative state is of the utmost relevance: with President Obama’s healthcare and environmental initiatives, or with President Trump’s immigration initiatives, to name just a few of the most obvious examples, debates have centered around the extent to which agencies have authority to make and carry out policy in the absence of clear legislative warrant. As the constitutional branch tasked with making law, Congress has increasingly ceded this responsibility, the administrative state has stepped into the gap....

    FDR is probably the greatest representative of this but it goes back to TR and the Progressive Era and, philosophically, German idealism. See How Progressives Rewrote American History for discussion.


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    One of the most often abused logical fallacies is the belief that something must be true because it comes from a person of authority. Dr. Fauci proclaiming himself as science comes to mind, but there are many other players at work. Scientists are human beings after all and can be wrong, emotional, and have hidden motives.

    That is why I am so bothered by the obsession with Climate Change in the scientific and political community. So many of the so-called "Experts" are on the Climate Change payroll of Government Bureaucrats who like the progressive anti-capitalist politics involved. And they find exactly what they expect and get paid to find of course. It is called confirmation bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
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    FDR is probably the greatest representative of this but it goes back to TR and the Progressive Era and, philosophically, German idealism. See How Progressives Rewrote American History for discussion.


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    For the American pioneers in progressive liberalism, this older, limited understanding of government stood in the way of the policy aims they believed the state ought to pursue in a world that had undergone significant evolution since the time of the founding. At the most fundamental level, therefore, the separation of powers was a deadly obstacle to the new liberalism, since it was an institutional system intended to keep the national government directed toward the relatively limited ends enumerated in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence......snip~


    Yes.....and its clear today that the leftness. Clearly fears that what the founders set up will remain. Keeping the Left from their Communist control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    One of the most often abused logical fallacies is the belief that something must be true because it comes from a person of authority. Dr. Fauci proclaiming himself as science comes to mind, but there are many other players at work. Scientists are human beings after all and can be wrong, emotional, and have hidden motives.

    That is why I am so bothered by the obsession with Climate Change in the scientific and political community. So many of the so-called "Experts" are on the Climate Change payroll of Government Bureaucrats who like the progressive anti-capitalist politics involved. And they find exactly what they expect and get paid to find of course. It is called confirmation bias.
    Yes, That is evident in Liquids thread wherein He said Trump blocked Afghan visas. Believing a Disgruntled Never Trumper Repub. Then believing an NBC link wherein NBC said Trump broke the law. Yet No Democrats jumped on that knowing no law was broken.


    Naturally, I debunked Liquids bull$#@! and like a truly limited and lacking intelligent sub human, he had me kicked out of thread. Can't handle being debunked or the truth showing his lacking comprehension and public education.


    He has been avoiding tPF threads by those on the Right knowing what comes around goes around.


    Its not just those policy issues as the Leftness of Today validates, with their TDS. Hence those like Liquids wherein reality is to much for them to handle.
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    FDR is probably the greatest representative of this but it goes back to TR and the Progressive Era and, philosophically, German idealism. See How Progressives Rewrote American History for discussion.


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    Bureaucracies have always been created to deal with the needs of serving public demand in this country. At the time of FDR the situation was so so great that many services had to be created in order to pigeon hole each every category of need. They do rest with the executive branch, so the question is why have presidents not dissolved such bureaucracies and created a system of "as needed"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Bureaucracies have always been created to deal with the needs of serving public demand in this country. At the time of FDR the situation was so so great that many services had to be created in order to pigeon hole each every category of need. They do rest with the executive branch, so the question is why have presidents not dissolved such bureaucracies and created a system of "as needed"?


    The answer is in the link. You would have known that if you read it.


    Expediency Over Principle

    The acquiescence in the realms of law, politics, and culture to the concepts of delegation, combination of functions, and insulating administration from political control is explained by what legal scholars call the victory of “functionalism” over “formalism, or what political theorists might loosely translate as “pragmatism” over “originalism.” Simply defined, a functionalist or pragmatic approach begins not with the forms of the Constitution, but with the necessities of the current age, thereby freeing government from the restraints of the Constitution so that the exigencies of today can be met.....snip~
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]For the American pioneers in progressive liberalism, this older, limited understanding of government stood in the way of the policy aims they believed the state ought to pursue in a world that had undergone significant evolution since the time of the founding. At the most fundamental level, therefore, the separation of powers was a deadly obstacle to the new liberalism, since it was an institutional system intended to keep the national government directed toward the relatively limited ends enumerated in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence......snip~


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    [FONT="]Yes[/FONT].....and its clear today that the leftness. Clearly fears that what the founders set up will remain. Keeping the Left from their Communist control.
    Yes, Progressives believed/still believe in the scientism of experts over the Declaration and Constitution. That is the source of living documentism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, Progressives believed/still believe in the scientism of experts over the Declaration and Constitution. That is the source of living documentism.
    Simply defined, a functionalist or pragmatic approach begins not with the forms of the Constitution, but with the necessities of the current age, thereby freeing government from the restraints of the Constitution so that the exigencies of today can be met.....snip~


    So that Leftists failed ideas can be implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, Progressives believed/still believe in the scientism of experts over the Declaration and Constitution. That is the source of living documentism.
    I don’t know how you can say that. How do you validate that assertion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
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    FDR is probably the greatest representative of this but it goes back to TR and the Progressive Era and, philosophically, German idealism. See How Progressives Rewrote American History for discussion.


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    This should be a short thread.

    The premise is so obvious that there will be little counter argument available. I suspect a few will try to take it off course.

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