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    The progressive way to wreck a civilization

    This is probably truer or easier to see considering European politics.

    THE PROGRESSIVE WAY TO WRECK A CIVILIZATION

    Most citizens, globally, are dissatisfied with democracy. The trend has been getting worse since 1995 despite the international elite’s increasing activism against this dissatisfaction’s supposed causes, including nationalism, Euroscepticism, racism, social injustice, inequity, conservatism, and populism. Fortunately, this pithy, accessible, and fearless little book containing essays by ten authors sets the record straight.

    Roger Kimball, editor of the New Criterion, introduces the collection by contrasting the dominant narrative—in which progressives defend liberalism against hateful populists—with the unadmitted practice: in reality, progressives have imposed an “administrative, top-down, essentially illiberal form of governance.”

    Angelo M. Codevilla’s chapter offers the pithiest explanation of their project. Progressives want supranational norms, rights, and institutions to become sovereign. Progressives characterize any resistance as undemocratic, even if it is popular. Relabelling “popular” as “populist” denies the sovereignty of the people. Then progressives spin unelected administrators as “democratic” just because they oppose populism....
    The piece goes on to review Who Rules? Sovereignty, Nationalism, and the Fate of Freedom in the Twenty-First Century, edited by Roger Kimball.


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    Democracy was once about people voting for representatives to handle the Military, Foreign Relations, Roads and Sanitation, the Post Office, Taxes, Public Schools, Public Lands, ect.........

    It was not about the micromanagement of our daily lives as it is now!

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    Weak people cannot let go of mommy and daddy.

    They want someone to run their lives even when they are being abused.

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    Self-reliance has gone the way of the dodo bird.
    People don't move to the rural areas as much because that lifestyle forces them to become self-reliant and more conservative in their thinking.
    Independence is a thing of the past.
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    So, was there a point to this thread, other than to provide more excuses to rage at liberals and democracy?

    Oh, I read the article. Immigrants ruin everything, multiculturalism is tyranny, rights come from Christianity ... okay, sugar-coated white-supremacist stuff. And lots of strawmen concerning what progressives _really_ believe. If you can't argue against someone's actual positions, then create strawmen to argue against.

    (Yes, I know. Since I'm actually discussing the subject instead of just raging at liberals, I'll be accused of trolling now. It's funny how that works.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    So, was there a point to this thread, other than to provide more excuses to rage at liberals and democracy?

    Oh, I read the article. Immigrants ruin everything, multiculturalism is tyranny, rights come from Christianity ... okay, sugar-coated white-supremacist stuff. And lots of strawmen concerning what progressives _really_ believe. If you can't argue against someone's actual positions, then create strawmen to argue against.

    (Yes, I know. Since I'm actually discussing the subject instead of just raging at liberals, I'll be accused of trolling now. It's funny how that works.)
    creating Strawmen is a tactic you are familiar with
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    So, was there a point to this thread, other than to provide more excuses to rage at liberals and democracy? Oh, I read the article. Immigrants ruin everything, multiculturalism is tyranny, rights come from Christianity ... okay, sugar-coated white-supremacist stuff. And lots of strawmen concerning what progressives _really_ believe. If you can't argue against someone's actual positions, then create strawmen to argue against. (Yes, I know. Since I'm actually discussing the subject instead of just raging at liberals, I'll be accused of trolling now. It's funny how that works.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    Democracy was once about people voting for representatives to handle the Military, Foreign Relations, Roads and Sanitation, the Post Office, Taxes, Public Schools, Public Lands, ect.........

    It was not about the micromanagement of our daily lives as it is now!
    The United States was not founded on the principles of DEMOCRACY, but of a Republic. The Founders were terrified of a democracy, as well they should have been seeing how the country is trending. The first president to call America a democracy was Woodrow Wilson, a president ever so slightly to the right of joe Quisling. The final nail in the coffin of our Republic will be the abolition of the Electoral College. The Founders envisioned that only the House of Representatives would be elected directly by the people and even then they did not embrace Universal Suffrage. I personally believe strongly that not all citizens should have the right to vote. Only those invested in the economics of the country, i.e. tax payers.

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