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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    They try the rape and incest or genetic defect argument even though the vast majority of abortions are performed for convenience. It's band argument like most leftist arguments.
    I think you need exceptions, but they need to be treated as exceptions. The sex worker's story above is not an exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I think you need exceptions, but they need to be treated as exceptions. The sex worker's story above is not an exception.
    I understand the desire for exceptions. My point is merely that very few abortions are performed for those exceptions. I agree it doesn't fit.

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    I have a more moderate view. This is not settled science. We have never settled when human life starts. Human being defined by the characteristics of being human. Otherwise life for a puppy or an and is the same as a human when it is a single cell. A unborn kitten has a heartbeat.
    On he other side, I have no doubt that a 20 week old baby is not a functioning human being. The are delivered and survive very well. Human life is somewhere between the 12 - 20 week mark.

    This is 6 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    I have a more moderate view. This is not settled science. We have never settled when human life starts. Human being defined by the characteristics of being human. Otherwise life for a puppy or an and is the same as a human when it is a single cell. A unborn kitten has a heartbeat.
    On he other side, I have no doubt that a 20 week old baby is not a functioning human being. The are delivered and survive very well. Human life is somewhere between the 12 - 20 week mark.

    This is 6 weeks.

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    I appreciate and respect that though I see the argument as between what science generally says, a new life starts at conception, and personhood, when does the baby delop far enough to be considered a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I appreciate and respect that though I see the argument as between what science generally says, a new life starts at conception, and personhood, when does the baby delop far enough to be considered a person.
    Everyone is afraid to identify the point of human life. This fight is going to continue until we do. Religion is faith not science. However, if they can make good enough arguments that 6 weeks is defined as a human life then I would except that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Everyone is afraid to identify the point of human life. This fight is going to continue until we do. Religion is faith not science. However, if they can make good enough arguments that 6 weeks is defined as a human life then I would except that.
    To clarify, life beginning at conception is the biological view. It's not empirical but definitional. It's just where biology draws the line.

    From there, I apply the Declaration's moral view that all men are created equal, thus equal rights must be weighed.

    Personhood is too nebulous and personal.
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    Bite Me-ites losing their minds.

    Their sacrament is being limited. Their god, Bite Me, has much anger. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Everyone is afraid to identify the point of human life. This fight is going to continue until we do. Religion is faith not science. However, if they can make good enough arguments that 6 weeks is defined as a human life then I would except that.
    With all due respect, what else would it be but human life if a human female is pregnant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section31 View Post
    Bite Me-ites losing their minds.

    Their sacrament is being limited. Their god, Bite Me, has much anger. lol
    I live that it's making their heads spin like Linda Blair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    With all due respect, what else would it be but human life if a human female is pregnant?
    Life is not human life. Unborn kittens are life. Spinach is life. You ate life for dinner last night and then for breakfast this morning.

    A single cell is not human life. It has to take on human characteristics.

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