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    When Human Life Begins Is Not a Matter of ‘Belief’

    Biden gaffed again in confusing human life with personhood. If he'd go with the science, it'd be clearer for him.

    When Human Life Begins Is Not a Matter of ‘Belief’

    President Joe Biden made an irrational statement the other day about when human life begins, saying at a press conference:

    I respect those who believe life begins at the moment of conception. I don’t agree, but I respect that. I’m not going to impose that on people.

    Except this is not a question of “belief,” but one of biological fact. It’s a question about which science–rather than politics or ideology–has long known the answer. Indeed, embryology text books are clear on that point. For example (my emphasis):

    Human development is a continuous process that begins when an oocyte (ovum) from a female is fertilized by a sperm (or spermatozoon) from a male. (p. 2); … but the embryo begins to develop as soon as the oocyte is fertilized. (p. 2); … Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell. This higly specialized, titipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.

    Keith Moore and T.V.N. Persaud, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (6th ed.) p. 18

    Here’s another useful quote from another embryology textbook:

    Although life is a continuous process, fertilization…is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is formed...

    Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Muller, Human Embryology & Teratology, 3rd ed.

    “A genetiucally distinct organism” is a technical way of saying that “a human life begins at conception” (when that organism is a member of the species Homo sapiens).

    What the heck, one more:

    “Zygote. This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being.

    Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology. 7th edition.

    In other words, Joe Biden’s life began when he came into being after conception as a one-celled human being–whether he “believes” it or not....




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    No matter what term someone chooses to call the beginnings of a human being once fertilization occurs, there is no question that it is a human life. It's not a horse embryo, a whale zygote, or a cat fetus, it's HUMAN. It's not an autonomous human but it is human.

    And, it's alive! How do we know? We've all seen the movement, dividing cells, growth under a microscope. Only live things move, grow, and change.

    Abortion is a serious issue and it deserves respect and honesty.
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    America needs to come to grips with these facts of life.
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    Modern scientific technology is giving us a much closer and intimate look at human life from conception to birth.............

    This makes the abortion fanatics cringe of course.

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    Just give me some consistency. Either life matters or it doesn't. That goes for both sides who have a ton of hypocrites on the matter.

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    Ive always believe that abortion should be allowed and if necessary paid by taxpayers, for impregnated rape victims, underage girls and for medical necessity for the mother.

    The left has made it so grown adult women, many professionals and educated women who get pregant with a child they dont want want to get an abortion. How ridiculous is it...they whine and rage that men cant control themselves and ALWAYS try to blame the male.

    MEN do not get pregnant WOMEN do, if they dont want a child they can do one of these things not in order

    Not have sex
    Demand he wear Protection
    Take the Pill
    Buy various available apparatus to avoid pregnancy...

    But most important DONT HAVE SEX IF YOURE AT RISK....TELL HIM NO!!!!! and use alternatives

    This has become raging bull$#@! by progressive lefts...who want abortion for EVERYONE paid for the govt even in the 9th month
    They want to flood the country with illegals and have us pay for their kids on top of it.
    LETS GO BRANDON
    F Joe Biden

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    Just give me some consistency. Either life matters or it doesn't. That goes for both sides who have a ton of hypocrites on the matter.
    Well, science is values-free but factful. All I ask is for the facts to be dealt with honestly. We either value life or we don't or we value some life/lives less than others more. Way I see it, all men are created equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    Just give me some consistency. Either life matters or it doesn't. That goes for both sides who have a ton of hypocrites on the matter.
    WHat is hypocritical about the rights stance on abortion...I have my own idea but id like to hear yours
    LETS GO BRANDON
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Biden gaffed again in confusing human life with personhood. If he'd go with the science, it'd be clearer for him.

    When Human Life Begins Is Not a Matter of ‘Belief’







    (tPF to keep out trolls from a serious discussion.)
    Soooo, what kind of life begins when a HUMAN ovum, and a HUMAN sperm cell combine, and begin to divide? Rutabaga?
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Ive always believe that abortion should be allowed and if necessary paid by taxpayers, for impregnated rape victims, underage girls and for medical necessity for the mother.

    The left has made it so grown adult women, many professionals and educated women who get pregant with a child they dont want want to get an abortion. How ridiculous is it...they whine and rage that men cant control themselves and ALWAYS try to blame the male.

    MEN do not get pregnant WOMEN do, if they dont want a child they can do one of these things not in order

    Not have sex
    Demand he wear Protection
    Take the Pill
    Buy various available apparatus to avoid pregnancy...

    But most important DONT HAVE SEX IF YOURE AT RISK....TELL HIM NO!!!!! and use alternatives

    This has become raging bull$#@! by progressive lefts...who want abortion for EVERYONE paid for the govt even in the 9th month
    They want to flood the country with illegals and have us pay for their kids on top of it.
    What you see from the left is mostly just an absolutism because they do not want to give any ground on the discussion.

    The same legal system that gave you Roe vs Wade allows you to kill a baby medically, will charge you with double murder for killing a pregnant woman.

    Would they do that if the victim was only one month pregnant?

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