Finally someone is questioning why COVID recovered people require vaccine

[donttread]

I have mentioned this before and now I see that at least one congressman is getting involved to demand an explaination of why vaccine mandates don't have exceptions for people with the natural immunity obtained from recoving from COVID. This kind of immunity is better than the vaccine, as is always the case. To the best of my knowledge no major players dispute that.
So if I have to carry papers to move freely about the country or even have a job why can't those papers be to verify a COVID diagnosis instead of to verify vaccine?
IMO the reason lies in the super sensitive PCR test that undoubtedly resulted in false positives. Read more below.
Spoiler alert the article does not make Dr. F look good.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/09/16/r...lcvpRi.FXlAHhX

[RichardMZhlubb]

This kind of immunity is better than the vaccine, as is always the case. To the best of my knowledge no major players dispute that.

This is false.

"Antibodies elicited by infection do not neutralize the currently circulating coronavirus variants as efficiently as antibodies elicited by mRNA vaccination," Scott Hensley, an associate professor of microbiology at the University of Pennsylvania, previously told USA TODAY. A June 30 study published in Science Translational Medicine found antibodies produced by those fully vaccinated with Moderna's mRNA vaccine were more broadly protective against different variants, compared to antibodies of recovered COVID-19 patients.

Vaccines also provide much more consistent protection from infection than natural immunity, said Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines and Virotherapy at Arizona State University."Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden told USA TODAY. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels."

A University of Oxford study published in June found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous COVID-19 infection could be at a higher risk of contracting new viral variants. Vaccines also induce the body to produce antibodies at levels even higher than those who have recovered from COVID-19, Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, assistant professor of pediatrics specializing in infectious diseases at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Health. "The vaccine elicits many more antibodies than a natural infection, so as the vaccine declines, the protection lasts longer than it would from a natural infection," she said.

Antibodies are made by the arm of the immune system called the adaptive immune response, which keeps a memory of any pathogen the body has ever encountered and launches a more specialized attack if they invade again. Research has suggested COVID-19 infection can lead to a reservoir of protective antibodies lasting up to eight to 11 months. But these antibodies don't necessarily prevent reinfection, as one recent CDC study and others have discovered.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/5545009001/

[stjames1_53]

This is false.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/5545009001/

So, on top of being a *ahem* lawyer, a wet team operative, well-placed socially (probably from white supremacy) you're also a vetted virologist.........
must be busy to be you. Where and when did you received your public grant for attending Harvard's School of Medicine?
Got a copy of those two diplomas?

[Collateral Damage]

So, on top of being a *ahem* lawyer, a wet team operative, well-placed socially (probably from white supremacy) you're also a vetted virologist.........
must be busy to be you. Where and when did you received your public grant for attending Harvard's School of Medicine?
Got a copy of those two diplomas?

That's not just any run of the mill lawyer, either. He *is* a DC lawyer, so he's extra special..... He may have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

While natural immunity comes from one's own immune system, a vaccine gives it a jolt, and that's not necessarily a good thing. Exposure to something, repeatedly, is what can give you more than just a weak response to a one time exposure.... something I believe they were attempting to do with the multiple jabs and boosters. The problem is, the vaccine is not matched to the receiver's DNA, so it is a foreign substance, and isn't retained in the body's memory. The actual infection is usually imbedded in the immune system, for longer lasting results.

[MMC]

This is false.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/5545009001/

Updated Sept. 8 with new study in Science Transitional Medicine and recommended spacing of Covid-19 RNA shots due to declining effectiveness and lack of effectiveness of vaccine mandates


Updated Aug. 27 with large Israel study that finds dramatically better protection from natural immunity than vaccination

Updated Aug. 24 with Israel changing policies with recognition that the Pfizer vaccine allegedly wears off after several months.....snip~



Updated Aug. 6 with CDC analysis of Kentucky (unvaccinated Kentuckians had "2.34 times the odds of reinfection" compared with fully vaccinated) and national analysis in Israel (vaccinated Israelis were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection). More below......snip~


But many are asking if they have better immunity after they're infected with the virus and recover, than if they’re vaccinated.Increasingly, the answer within the data appears to be ”yes.”.....snip~


However, vaccination rates alone tell little about a population’s true immune-status. And where high Covid case counts occur, it ultimately means a larger segment of that community ends up better-protected, vaccines aside. That’s according to virologists who point out that fighting off Covid, even without developing any symptoms, leaves people with what’s thought to be more robust and longer-lasting immunity than the vaccines confer.


Listen to podcast with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who addresses the strength of natural immunity


Below: CDC's data with light blue showing fully vaccinated. Dark blue is unvaccinated (but may include some fully vaccinated.)





Illinois health officials recently announced more than 160 fully-vaccinated people have died of Covid-19, and at least 644 been hospitalized; ten deaths and 51 hospitalizations counted in the prior week. Israel’s Health Ministry recently said effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has fallen to 40 percent. Last month, 100 vaccinated British sailors isolated on a ship at sea reportedly came down with Covid seven weeks into their deployment. In July, New Jersey reported 49 fully vaccinated residents had died of Covid; 27 in Louisiana; 80 in Massachusetts. In Iceland there is a spike in cases, mostly among the vaccinated, among a highly-vaccinated population that had previously claimed to have defeated Covid-19. Of 116 cases diagnosed in one day, 73 were among the vaccinated; 43 were unvaccinated.


Update August 6: In Israel, more than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases. Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.


According to the study, after three months, risk of infection was 13.06 times higher among vaccinated patients and they were 27 times more likely to experience symptoms than unvaccinated people who'd had Covid previously.

Participants who were double jabbed were 5.96 times more likely to be infected and 7.13 times more likely to experience symptoms including cough, fever and shortness of breath.......snip~[/COLOR]
Covid-19 natural immunity compared to vaccine-induced immunity: The definitive summary | Sharyl Attkisson


Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows



Dr. Ryan Cole, a Mayo Clinic-trained pathologist who runs the largest independent laboratory in Idaho, explained to me how infection-induced immunity is much deeper and broader. “A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike,” said Dr. Cole, who has spent the past 16 months examining and culturing SARS-CoV-2 specimens. “Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again. Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”
However, in vaccine-induced immunity, according to Cole, “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins.” He explains how this produces much fewer neutralizing antibodies, and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”



Irish researchers recently published a review of 11 cohort studies with over 600,000 total recovered COVID patients who were followed up with over 10 months. They found the reinfection rate to be just 0.27% “with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.”


Moreover, the only study (from Qatar) analyzed that estimated the population‐level risk of reinfection based on whole genome sequencing in a subset of patients with supporting evidence of reinfection estimated the risk at 0.1%. Most importantly, the study found no evidence of waning of immunity for over seven months of the follow-up period. The few reinfections that did occur “were less severe than primary infections” and “only one reinfection was severe, two were moderate, and none were critical or fatal.”



Despite the endless search by the media to find cases of severe reinfection, they have failed to find it. Dr. Peter McCullough, cardiologist and vice chief of medicine at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas, Texas, told me in an interview that “there has never been a confirmed second infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test” in a case where the patient already had a well-documented case with acute illness. He notes that most database studies that attempt to quantify reinfection “are not sufficiently reliable to declare recurrent cases” and usually contain a false positive PCR on one or more occasions.
McCullough is of the top five most published medical researchers in the U.S., and his paper in the American Journal of Medicine in August 2020 about treatment protocol for COVID remains the most downloaded and used paper during the pandemic from that journal.

Thus, dealing with variants like “Delta” by focusing solely on risk-fraught injections with questionable effectiveness is the most counterproductive strategy ever. The U.K.’s very thorough data updated last week shows just a 0.2% case fatality rate for Delta, and only 0.03% for those under the age of 50, lower than any other variant. If it’s more transmissible, it’s less deadly. Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine when appropriate.....snip~


Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows - NewsRescue.com


Oops looks like that USA Factchecker. Just got $#@!slapped by a few other Countries and one top researcher in the US. And the funny thing is.....there is more that say Natural Immunity is not only better. But Stronger than the vaccines.

So yes that bull$#@! by USA is false!

[Collateral Damage]

That's not just any run of the mill lawyer, either. He *is* a DC lawyer, so he's extra special..... He may have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

While natural immunity comes from one's own immune system, a vaccine gives it a jolt, and that's not necessarily a good thing. Exposure to something, repeatedly, is what can give you more than just a weak response to a one time exposure.... something I believe they were attempting to do with the multiple jabs and boosters. The problem is, the vaccine is not matched to the receiver's DNA, so it is a foreign substance, and isn't retained in the body's memory. The actual infection is usually imbedded in the immune system, for longer lasting results.

I should have added, after exposure, a virus can go dormant/latent in one's body, and flare up at a later time and do a lot of damage because it isn't always detected immediately. It can also mutate and be worse than the original infection.

[stjames1_53]

Updated Sept. 8 with new study in Science Transitional Medicine and recommended spacing of Covid-19 RNA shots due to declining effectiveness and lack of effectiveness of vaccine mandates


Updated Aug. 27 with large Israel study that finds dramatically better protection from natural immunity than vaccination

Updated Aug. 24 with Israel changing policies with recognition that the Pfizer vaccine allegedly wears off after several months.....snip~



Updated Aug. 6 with CDC analysis of Kentucky (unvaccinated Kentuckians had "2.34 times the odds of reinfection" compared with fully vaccinated) and national analysis in Israel (vaccinated Israelis were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection). More below......snip~


But many are asking if they have better immunity after they're infected with the virus and recover, than if they’re vaccinated.Increasingly, the answer within the data appears to be ”yes.”.....snip~


However, vaccination rates alone tell little about a population’s true immune-status. And where high Covid case counts occur, it ultimately means a larger segment of that community ends up better-protected, vaccines aside. That’s according to virologists who point out that fighting off Covid, even without developing any symptoms, leaves people with what’s thought to be more robust and longer-lasting immunity than the vaccines confer.


Listen to podcast with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who addresses the strength of natural immunity


Below: CDC's data with light blue showing fully vaccinated. Dark blue is unvaccinated (but may include some fully vaccinated.)





Illinois health officials recently announced more than 160 fully-vaccinated people have died of Covid-19, and at least 644 been hospitalized; ten deaths and 51 hospitalizations counted in the prior week. Israel’s Health Ministry recently said effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has fallen to 40 percent. Last month, 100 vaccinated British sailors isolated on a ship at sea reportedly came down with Covid seven weeks into their deployment. In July, New Jersey reported 49 fully vaccinated residents had died of Covid; 27 in Louisiana; 80 in Massachusetts. In Iceland there is a spike in cases, mostly among the vaccinated, among a highly-vaccinated population that had previously claimed to have defeated Covid-19. Of 116 cases diagnosed in one day, 73 were among the vaccinated; 43 were unvaccinated.


Update August 6: In Israel, more than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases. Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.


According to the study, after three months, risk of infection was 13.06 times higher among vaccinated patients and they were 27 times more likely to experience symptoms than unvaccinated people who'd had Covid previously.

Participants who were double jabbed were 5.96 times more likely to be infected and 7.13 times more likely to experience symptoms including cough, fever and shortness of breath.......snip~[/COLOR]
Covid-19 natural immunity compared to vaccine-induced immunity: The definitive summary | Sharyl Attkisson


Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows



Dr. Ryan Cole, a Mayo Clinic-trained pathologist who runs the largest independent laboratory in Idaho, explained to me how infection-induced immunity is much deeper and broader. “A natural infection induces hundreds upon hundreds of antibodies against all proteins of the virus, including the envelope, the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the spike,” said Dr. Cole, who has spent the past 16 months examining and culturing SARS-CoV-2 specimens. “Dozens upon dozens of these antibodies neutralize the virus when encountered again. Additionally, because of the immune system exposure to these numerous proteins (epitomes), our T cells mount a robust memory, as well. Our T cells are the ‘marines’ of the immune system and the first line of defense against pathogens. T cell memory to those infected with SARSCOV1 is at 17 years and running still.”
However, in vaccine-induced immunity, according to Cole, “we mount an antibody response to only the spike and its constituent proteins.” He explains how this produces much fewer neutralizing antibodies, and “as the virus preferentially mutates at the spike, these proteins are shaped differently and antibodies can no longer ‘lock and key’ bind to these new shapes.”



Irish researchers recently published a review of 11 cohort studies with over 600,000 total recovered COVID patients who were followed up with over 10 months. They found the reinfection rate to be just 0.27% “with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.”


Moreover, the only study (from Qatar) analyzed that estimated the population‐level risk of reinfection based on whole genome sequencing in a subset of patients with supporting evidence of reinfection estimated the risk at 0.1%. Most importantly, the study found no evidence of waning of immunity for over seven months of the follow-up period. The few reinfections that did occur “were less severe than primary infections” and “only one reinfection was severe, two were moderate, and none were critical or fatal.”



Despite the endless search by the media to find cases of severe reinfection, they have failed to find it. Dr. Peter McCullough, cardiologist and vice chief of medicine at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas, Texas, told me in an interview that “there has never been a confirmed second infection beyond 90 days with similar or worse cardinal symptoms and confirmed PCR/Antigen/Sequencing test” in a case where the patient already had a well-documented case with acute illness. He notes that most database studies that attempt to quantify reinfection “are not sufficiently reliable to declare recurrent cases” and usually contain a false positive PCR on one or more occasions.
McCullough is of the top five most published medical researchers in the U.S., and his paper in the American Journal of Medicine in August 2020 about treatment protocol for COVID remains the most downloaded and used paper during the pandemic from that journal.

Thus, dealing with variants like “Delta” by focusing solely on risk-fraught injections with questionable effectiveness is the most counterproductive strategy ever. The U.K.’s very thorough data updated last week shows just a 0.2% case fatality rate for Delta, and only 0.03% for those under the age of 50, lower than any other variant. If it’s more transmissible, it’s less deadly. Natural infection is the only phenomena that will ultimately burn out all variants, and the entire focus should be on getting seniors and other vulnerable people early treatment the minute they feel symptoms and even a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine when appropriate.....snip~


Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Greater Protection Than Shot, Data from Israeli Govt. Shows - NewsRescue.com


Oops looks like that USA Factchecker. Just got $#@!slapped by a few other Countries and one top researcher in the US. And the funny thing is.....there is more that say Natural Immunity is not only better. But Stronger than the vaccines.

So yes that bull$#@! by USA is false!

Richard: We'll have to circle back to that.

[MMC]

Richard: We'll have to circle back to that.

From Ritchies Link.




Vaccines also provide much more consistent protection from infection than natural immunity, said Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines and Virotherapy at Arizona State University.


"Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden told USA TODAY. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels."


A University of Oxford study published in June found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous COVID-19 infection could be at a higher risk of contracting new viral variants.


Vaccines also induce the body to produce antibodies at levels even higher than those who have recovered from COVID-19, Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, assistant professor of pediatrics specializing in infectious diseases at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Health.


"The vaccine elicits many more antibodies than a natural infection, so as the vaccine declines, the protection lasts longer than it would from a natural infection," she said.



Our rating: False

Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that if you have natural immunity from a bout of COVID-19, you don’t need the vaccine. People who have recovered from COVID-19 are still at risk of contracting the virus again, according to new data from the CDC. This is because immunity from infection doesn't confer the same benefits as those from vaccination. The COVID-19 vaccines provide those vaccinated a uniform level of immunity (higher than many who contracted the virus), are effective against new variants and encourage the body to make more antibodies than immunity gained from natural infection. ......snip~


Then note what the UK, Irish, Israelis, and McCollough along with Cole say. The CDC once again goes Tangential.


BTW note how the CDC keeps talking about the unvaccinated. While several countries validate that it is the vaccinated that keeps getting infected or re-infected.

[Abby08]

From Ritchies Link.




Vaccines also provide much more consistent protection from infection than natural immunity, said Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines and Virotherapy at Arizona State University.


"Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden told USA TODAY. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels."


A University of Oxford study published in June found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous COVID-19 infection could be at a higher risk of contracting new viral variants.


Vaccines also induce the body to produce antibodies at levels even higher than those who have recovered from COVID-19, Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, assistant professor of pediatrics specializing in infectious diseases at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Health.


"The vaccine elicits many more antibodies than a natural infection, so as the vaccine declines, the protection lasts longer than it would from a natural infection," she said.



Our rating: False

Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that if you have natural immunity from a bout of COVID-19, you don’t need the vaccine. People who have recovered from COVID-19 are still at risk of contracting the virus again, according to new data from the CDC. This is because immunity from infection doesn't confer the same benefits as those from vaccination. The COVID-19 vaccines provide those vaccinated a uniform level of immunity (higher than many who contracted the virus), are effective against new variants and encourage the body to make more antibodies than immunity gained from natural infection. ......snip~


Then note what the UK, Irish, Israelis, and McCollough along with Cole say. The CDC once again goes Tangential.


BTW note how the CDC keeps talking about the unvaccinated. While several countries validate that it is the vaccinated that keeps getting infected or re-infected.

They can't hear that, because they don't WANT to hear it.....it blows their plans right out of the water.

[2cent]

Sebastian Gorka said it best: "The only problem with immunity is that it's free."