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    The Gavin Newsom Recall Vote: My Thoughts

    To me, the significant thing about the Gavin Newsom recall effort wasn't that Newsom survived it, but that, despite the current unpopularity of President Biden and the Democratic brand overall, he didn't lose any votes compared to his original election in 2018, in which he got an unusually high 61.9%. During the first year of the Trump presidency, there were lots of special elections to fill seats vacated by Trump cabinet/staff appointees and such and Republicans predictably retained those seats, as the appointees were chosen from safely Republican areas. However, the average Republican margin in these votes through the summer was down 10 percentage points compared the preceding Republican victories therein, and that proved to be a sign of things to come. It was a sign of how the off-year elections that November would go, wherein many seats had previously been won by Republicans by margins far thinner than 10 points. And it was an indication of how the midterms the following year would go, wherein Democrats led by 8.5 percentage points overall, picking up 41 House seats for their biggest midterm victory since 1974 (the year of Richard Nixon's resignation).

    For these reasons, I'm taking the fact that there was no reduced margin for Newsom in this recall effort as the significant thing here. It's a warning to the Republican Party that they can't just keep fielding Trump-alike candidates and expect to get different results than they did during the Trump era. This outcome reveals that it was and is NOT just Donald Trump's sparkling personality, lifestyle, and tweets that people objected to, but the substance of his program and general attitude towards other people. Trumpism still fails politically even in the absence of Trump himself, and even in the absence of a popular Democratic president to boot.

    Specifically, I would highlight the issue of Covid-19. Every notable candidate vying to replace Newsom (including the Democratic ones who sought to do so, mind you) positioned themselves as softer on the coronavirus. They wouldn't be as safety-conscious or restrictive. No vaccine passports here! And maybe we should just ditch mask-wearing, especially for unvaccinated people. You know? This was the single most unifying theme among Newsom's major detractors on the ballot. This outcome hence makes it very clear -- clearer than it's ever been -- that keeping people safe from the virus is not only the right stand morally, but also remains the winning one politically. People. Want. To live. It's a reality.

    As to the Larry Elder himself, the candidate who emerged as the Newsom's principal challenger, all I can do is scoff. Polling indicated that Newsom was struggling until one Larry Elder emerged as the front-runner of the opposition. From there, Newsom was able to recast the vote not as a referendum on him, but as a referendum on the more polarizing Larry Elder instead, and Elder lost. Badly. Why? Well, illustrating why is the fact that his supporters have endlessly complained that Elder was referred to as "the black face of white supremacy." The man proposed that "reparations" payments to slave owners were called for for the loss of their property! I don't know what more they want for evidence that the man would say anything, no matter how unbelievably stupid and reactionary, to try and get the votes of white people. He also claimed on the campaign trail that employers should be permitted to fire women who become pregnant, for becoming pregnant. You can't make this $#@! up! That Republican voters seriously thought this was the best candidate tells you all you need to know about where they are as a party right now and how completely divorced from reality that party is.
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    The main thing I take from it is that California has gotten even more blue.

    I do agree that Trump is not, cannot be the future of the Republican party (he's too old if nothing else - in 2024 he'll be as old as Biden is now), but many of his populist messages were good.

    Once it was clear that Elder was going to be governor if Newsom was recalled, the recall drive lost all its steam. California does not want a Republican governor, and especially not one from the Trump supporting camp. Running against him as the "black face of white supremacy" was disgusting, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar View Post
    The main thing I take from it is that California has gotten even more blue.

    I do agree that Trump is not, cannot be the future of the Republican party (he's too old if nothing else - in 2024 he'll be as old as Biden is now), but many of his populist messages were good.

    Once it was clear that Elder was going to be governor if Newsom was recalled, the recall drive lost all its steam. California does not want a Republican governor, and especially not one from the Trump supporting camp. Running against him as the "black face of white supremacy" was disgusting, however.

    If biden can be this old, why can't Trump?

    Trump obviously at least has all his faculties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abby08 View Post
    If biden can be this old, why can't Trump?
    Biden can't be this old, from my observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar View Post
    Biden can't be this old, from my observations.

    Aah.....still, Trump is fully cognizant, he may very well be in 2024......who knows?
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    The COVID regime is only popular among the neurotic and the power hungry. The union of those two toxic coalitions is a voting majority inside failing States like California and New York. Meanwhile, Texas and Florida have been operating normally for months now, with better performing economies and functioning societies. That is why failing States like California and New York continue to lose population and businesses to red States like Texas and Florida. The goal of conservatives going forward should be to focus their energy, not on appealing to broad majorities, but on strengthening their hold where they already have majorities in red States and counties. Ideally, they would turn red America into a fortress, against which the corrosive waves of neo-liberal insanity would crash harmlessly. But time is against conservative America. They need to act decisively and quickly before the liberal regime in DC brainwashes or bribes enough of the voters to seize total control over the country.
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    Amazing how IMPress Polly thoughts are identical to left media thoughts expressed in the days before and just after the Recall......


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    Especially the new embrace of COVID public controls and Larry Elder (who had nearly 50% of the Recall vote with 3 Million CA voters) was the reason this failed. Can't let the black man off the plantation!

    In truth CA has failed and will continue the downward trend of massive poor, crime, homeless, and a handful of WOKE Gated Community Rich Democrats. Let all celebrate shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abby08 View Post
    Aah.....still, Trump is fully cognizant, he may very well be in 2024......who knows?
    The well is too poisoned against Trump. The mainstream media did its job well of vilifying him. Independent voters are not going to embrace him. Besides which, even though Trump is obviously leagues ahead of Biden cognitively, I don't care to see another 74 year old president.
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    Especially the new embrace of COVID public controls and Larry Elder (who had nearly 50% of the Recall vote with 3 Million CA voters) was the reason this failed. Can't let the black man off the plantation!
    There was a survey saying most people in California were all for the mask mandates, lockdowns, and vaccine mandates.

    There was another survey a lot of people were talking about, where Democrats, Republicans, and Independents said what they thought the odds of getting hospitalized if you caught Covid. The real answer is 1-5%, but most Democrats thought it was significantly higher. The effect of fear mongering on left wing media. That got a lot of press, but what didn't get a lot of press was that most Republicans and Independents also overestimated the percentage. Not as bad as the Democrats, but they still overestimated it. The fear mongering has trickled down.

    California is a lost cause, we'd be better off cutting it loose into the Pacific. If it weren't for the lopsided influence of California and New York, this country probably wouldn't be in that bad of a shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But time is against conservative America.
    Agreed, unless some major movement toward traditional America emerges, about the best we can hope for is to hold the line as long as we can. I feel like the most I can hope for is to keep some semblance of the country I was born in until I leave the earth. I don't have much hope for the coming generations. If such a movement were to come, it would have to come from the young, and I don't see that happening, they seem to be fully embracing hedonism and socialism. And they openly mock the work ethic that built this country into a success.

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    Some observations...first Newsom enjoyed hundreds of million to fight off the recall. Pelosi called in all her chips to save her Nephew.
    The media in california hailed newsom and villified Larry Elder calling him an Uncle tom and Trump with black skin...there wasnt any positive press for elder in California.

    The republican population is down significantly people leaving california are not democrats

    Last this has nothing to do with national elections, wont make 1 iota of differnce in the 2022 midterms...Polly you need to read ALL the polls even the liberal pollsters have sounded the alarm for democrats...

    Independents are going to put the democrats down...they see AOC and the squad for what they are, they see a Pelosi who cannot tell the truth about anything...and the see biden who 70% of americans say he should not be president he doesnt have all his faculties...Harris pollls lower the Biden...

    My Opinion you are putting waaaay to much in the recall election...No one I know thought elder would win with what he was up against
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