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    Mayfield speaks of that which he is not allowed to speak

    Apparently there were two major interference calls missed on one play near the end of the Brown's shootout loss Sunday. Baker called out the refs and he seems pretty confident that he will be fined for it.
    Parody is great , closer games, closer playoff races , SB's down to the wire. But let's face it the refs decide too many games. The inconsisitentcy of what is called and when it is called is unacceptible. Especially in the passing game. If you want to let some contact go that's not ideal but it's not the end of the world as long as you do so consisitently. But that is not the case in the NFL. Yesterday alone I saw clear holding in the endzone not called and clear holding in the endzone deemed NOT to have been in the endzone. OL tackling defenders ignored and questionable holding called.
    But it is the contact in the passing game that is called the most inconsistently and has the most dire consequences. Hence Mayfield's frustration and mine as a fan. To be clear I'm not talking about officiating that consistently errs a little towards the old "letting em play" which is nothing more than changing the rules and players can adapt to that. For example the ump having his "own strike zone" in baseball. But that way of doing things involves consistenly calling things your way. This stuff is all over the board. Let go an obvious PI then turn around and call one over little or nothing in the next series. I'll be the first to say that their job is difficult and their mistakes often exposed only by modern photographic technology. I do not think they are doing this to favor any one team.However this consistent inconsistency cannot be so esasily writen off. The other problem is that one 5 yard illegal contact can give you afirst down or not on 3rd and 30 and PI can cover 50 yards. They are the calls that swing games. Such calls have helped decide post season games often. The most famous was the fiasco with the Rams v Vikings a few years back. Another was the triple non call ( holding, illegal contact or PI) anyone of which would have been a fair call but none were made late in the Ravens vs 49ers SB. But these are just two of many. The thing is with non calls you cannot be certain if they really changed the outcome or not.
    The leauge reacted to that non call on the Rams by making PI reviewable but once the fans were passified they quietly got rid of that. I just don't understand what's going on but it's been this way for well over a decade. One yera the NFL made calling defensive holding a point of empyasis but basically gave up on the project halfway through the season.
    I know people who have stopped watching over these issues alone. I know what I see but I do not know why it exist.




    https://www.brownsnation.com/baker-m...chargers-loss/

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    There were several atrocious calls that went against the Browns, with the two PI calls the most egregious. The "rules official consultant" was beside himself. Naturally, we'll get the Tuesday morning NFL apology....


    Baker Mayfield Takes Shot At Refs In Chargers Loss (brownsnation.com)


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    Every game there are horrible calls and non calls. Usually the favored team or the home team is the beneficiary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Every game there are horrible calls and non calls. Usually the favored team or the home team is the beneficiary.
    This was offensive holding against the Browns, negating a big run:

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    This was called as PI against the Browns on 4th down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Every game there are horrible calls and non calls. Usually the favored team or the home team is the beneficiary.
    Are the refs regional, or do they travel to where the games are?
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    Perhaps the rules for a challenge review should be broadened to include non calls as well as officials rulings on the field. It is embarrassing when the fans can see something in replay the refs either missed or simply let slide for whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    This was offensive holding against the Browns, negating a big run:

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    This was called as PI against the Browns on 4th down

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    You can’t tell how the entire play went with a snapshot of a fraction of a second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    You can’t tell how the entire play went with a snapshot of a fraction of a second.
    Ok. However, I can tell from my eyes, watching it, which I did.
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    Cheating is part of the game. Know where the ref is, then grab the back of his shirt when his vision is blocked. Give him an extra hit when the refs are following action away from where you are to slow down a receiver off the line.

    I'm not sure if I prefer the old days before instant replay, the slower game of instant replay from 20 angles or how I feel about the "make up call" where the refs knew they screwed up, so they make a nothing call into a penalty to try to correct themselves. They may be doing more damage than correction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Are the refs regional, or do they travel to where the games are?
    I knew a former referee and he traveled. One thing needed is full time referees. Currently officiating is a second job. They should be in training all of the off season. They should be watching recordings of their performance and correct their mistakes.
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