Say what you will about Karl Marx: He would’ve HATED AOC and the left

[Chris]

More support for my argument the left stands for a new type of socialism, one that, rather than seeking to appropriate the capital means of production, seeks to appropriate the profitable ends of productivity. I shouldn't say my argument as it's laid out quite clearly in Hoppe's 2010 explanation in A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism, which you can download for free @ https://mises.org/library/theory-soc...d-capitalism-0. See also my earlier thread on Socialism-lite.

The point her though is that the new socialism is really just a reversion to an older utopian version.

Say what you will about Karl Marx: He would’ve HATED AOC and the left

...here’s what you should know: Such hypocrisy isn’t an aberration. Rather, it’s a fundamental aspect of leftism going back to the 19th century, to the time of Karl Marx — who, whatever else may be said about him, absolutely reviled this kind of thing.

Marx, of course, is generally considered to be the great progenitor of the left, but nothing can be further from the truth. Socialism had existed as a political concept well before Marx was even born. And even the term “left” dates back to the 18th century, to the seating division of left and right in the French Revolutionary National Assembly.

During Marx’s lifetime, the left in Europe was a collection of anarchists, utopians, middle-class reformers, mutualists, Christian socialists and every other variety of political philosophy nominally opposed to capitalism. Marx and his longtime collaborator Friedrich Engels came onto the scene in the midst of it all.

...the pair focused squarely on the struggle between those who owned the means of production, the bourgeoisie, and those who toiled for the first group, the workers.

In this titanic struggle, Marx and Engels thought, what was called the left often acted against workers, notwithstanding leftists’ social-justice rhetoric.

A good amount of Marx’s written output was dedicated to attacking this or that leftist movement of the day....

What made the left obnoxious, for Marx, was its faith in the notion that ideas and subjective beliefs and moral abstractions, rather than material economic realities, move history....

Sound familiar? Nearly two centuries later, the left is still in the business of spreading moral uplift (moral by its own lights, that is) in ways that paradoxically worsen the conditions of working people, while strengthening the position of large shareholders and the professionals who service them: America is divided, because your thoughts are racist! We don’t have true equality, because you are subconsciously transphobic! There is no justice, because you cling to the backward notion that police are good, actually! The earth is literally burning up, because working-class people insist on their barbeques.

You needn’t be a Marxist to see Marx’s point: that for all the “revolutionary” sound and fury of the left, most leftism in practice immiserates working people. Yes, even Marx hated the left.

[MMC]

More than likely he would think of them as Facists.....or just sheer Deviants.

[RMNIXON]

The big difference is that Marxism of the early 20th century was still a Workers Revolution. Healthy Citizens were still meant to be productive and useful, not growing welfare cases pretending to be societies "Victims."

That would have collapsed the old Soviet or Chinese economic systems long ago, and what the AOC bunch are trying to do to us!

[Chris]

The big difference is that Marxism of the early 20th century was still a Workers Revolution. Healthy Citizens were still meant to be productive and useful, not growing welfare cases pretending to be societies "Victims."

That would have collapsed the old Soviet or Chinese economic systems long ago, and what the AOC bunch are trying to do to us!

That was the theory, but the workers never revolted, Russia turned socialist dictatorship, and the rest is history.

[Ethereal]

The new left doesn't stand for anything. They're just a political mob full of emotionally unstable types ignorantly lashing out at the world. The Democrats have basically created this mob over the years via relentless propagandizing of the youth in government schools and through popular media, which Democrats control. This mob exists only to be manipulated and deployed by the people at the top. Just look at how they've been mobilized into a quasi-religious army of COVID crusaders. The media and the government snapped their fingers and the leftist mob just sprung into action, no questions asked. Conservatives, libertarians, and independents are under attack from the Democrat mafia. It has nothing to do with philosophy or principles or laws. It's only about power and wealth. The Democrat mafia understands this instinctivley, which is why they are so effective. While conservatives and the like sit around pontificating about logic and principles, Democrats just grab as much power and money as they can get their hands on. They are laughing at you, with your abstract notions of evidence and logic and truth. You think being "right" will bring you victory? You're dreaming.