Why a ‘significant’ amount of fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized with COV

[The Xl]

These vaccines are garbage. They're being mandated so government can justify ruling via decree instead of law via emergency powers, and big pharma gets paid too, so its a win win for all the vultures.

[Bo-4]

People who haven't vaxed are not particularly smart. It is still the case that 90% + of those being hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated. Natural immunity? Bah - Not what it's cracked up to be.

I got my Moderna booster last Monday. I'm WAY better off and less likely to die than those who claim to have natural immunity. Study after study have come to the same conclusions. Yes, there was an Israel study that said just the opposite, but it's an outlier - very small study group and not peer reviewed.

• More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
• Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
• Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

[carolina73]

The vaccines are not garbage.

The politics of the vaccines are garbage.


Trump's Warp Speed brought on vaccines for people that wanted to take them because of their risk level in record time.

That was a huge victory.

I'm heading into Lowe's today. No mask, shaking hands, talking to people and acting just like I did before COVID. The vaccine gives people that are older or at greater health risk the confidence to do that.

The left has made it political now instead of a very helpful tool. That is where the nonsense kicks in.
Your complaining that you don't want it. Trump would not require you to to take the vaccine.
Your saying that you have natural immunity. Trump would not require you to take the vaccine.
Your saying that that bad outweighs the good in for young health people. Trump would not require you to to take the vaccine
You hate the mandate. Trump would not require you to to take the vaccine.

We know the vaccines are less effective against the new variants. But they still make most people less sick if they get it.

Do you know who is getting hospitalized or dying because of COVID now? Probably not because the CDC is a total failure and needs to be torn down. They are a political body.

[MMC]

Fraudchi and the CDC seem to be giving up the fight to deny natural immunity but they are still failing to build it into a game plan. I would like to know what they overlap number is on natural immunity and the vaccinated.

With 200 million people fully vaccinated and 146 million having natural immunity then the percentage protected are possibly larger than the population.

So maybe they should start recording (actually a long time ago) if the people being checked into the hospital had COVID, had the full vaccination or where checked in because the have other serious ailments putting them at risk without strong enough symptoms to put a health person in the hospital. If you had a recent heart operation, lung operation, cancer treatments and get COVID then your in automatically. It does not matter how mild your COVID symptoms are.

With the CDC saying that 70% of the Population being vaccinated and knowing that 146.6 million of the unvaccinated have Natural Immunity. What do they have left to blame? Who else can they blame.

[carolina73]

People who haven't vaxed are not particularly smart. It is still the case that 90% + of those being hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated. Natural immunity? Bah - Not what it's cracked up to be.
I got my Moderna booster last Monday. I'm WAY better off and less likely to die than those who claim to have natural immunity. Study after study have come to the same conclusions. Yes, there was an Israel study that said just the opposite, but it's an outlier - very small study group and not peer reviewed.

• More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
• Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
• Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

The CDC seems to want to ignore science and that is what they are doing with natural immunity. Even the NIH seems confused by that.

The substantial number of infections, coupled with the increasing scientific evidence that natural immunity was durable, led some medical observers to ask why natural immunity didn’t seem to be factored into decisions about prioritising vaccination.

“The CDC could say [to people who had recovered], very well grounded in excellent data, that you should wait 8 months,” Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at University of California San Francisco, told Medpage Today in January. She suggested authorities ask people to “please wait your turn.”

Others, such as Icahn School of Medicine virologist and researcher Florian Krammer, argued for one dose in those who had recovered. “This would also spare individuals from unnecessary pain when getting the second dose and it would free up additional vaccine doses,” he told the New York Times.


“Many of us were saying let’s use [the vaccine] to save lives, not to vaccinate people already immune,” says Marty Makary, a professor of health policy and management at Johns Hopkins University.

Still, the CDC instructed everyone, regardless of previous infection, to get fully vaccinated as soon as they were eligible: natural immunity “varies from person to person” and “experts do not yet know how long someone is protected,” the agency stated on its website in January.6 By June, a Kaiser Family Foundation survey found that 57% of those previously infected got vaccinated.




https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101

[Peter1469]

People who haven't vaxed are not particularly smart. It is still the case that 90% + of those being hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated. Natural immunity? Bah - Not what it's cracked up to be.

I got my Moderna booster last Monday. I'm WAY better off and less likely to die than those who claim to have natural immunity. Study after study have come to the same conclusions. Yes, there was an Israel study that said just the opposite, but it's an outlier - very small study group and not peer reviewed.

• More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
• Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
• Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

If you are a sports professional whose body is worth 10s of millions of dollars it may indeed make sense to not get the vax. If such a person got the COVID there is a 99.9% chance they would have no symptoms worse than the common cold.

[carolina73]

With the CDC saying that 70% of the Population being vaccinated and knowing that 146.6 million of the unvaccinated have Natural Immunity. What do they have left to blame? Who else can they blame.

They should be blaming themselves first for their lack of curiosity which has led them to only chasing a political goal.

Maybe Joe gave them a Ukraine form of edict. Do this or...

[MMC]

They should be blaming themselves first for their lack of curiosity which has led them to only chasing a political goal.

Maybe Joe gave them a Ukraine form of edict. Do this or...

They wont blame themselves for not following the science.