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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    Any union that does not recognize that--in the private sector--will put the company out of business and themselves which would be IMO very foolish on their part. I think most unions recognize that and try to establish some common ground that both the union and company grow together; a sort of working partnership if you will.
    In the public sector, their actions should also benefit the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In the public sector, their actions should also benefit the people.
    I agree. As an example, I think both the police and firefighters greatly benefit the people.
    God Bless America, God Bless our Military and God Bless the Police who defended the country against the insurgents on January 6, 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I agree. As an example, I think both the police and firefighters greatly benefit the people.
    Which is fine for me as well, as long as it's within the limits of what people can afford in taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    They are supposed to provide a service. Labor has a value. Taking a share of the companies profits is not their role. They don't pay in when companies lose money. They are not investors that buy stock or shares in a company.
    I don't believe that unions are taking a share of the company's profits; instead, it is a cost of doing business, much like when companies buy services such as supplies, vehicles and of course labor, you pay for their services as the case may be.


    My union always told the company, if you cannot afford to pay this or provide that, open your books up and show us why you cannot afford this. 9 times out of 10, they wouldn't open up the books, so we knew they were simply not being upfront with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I don't believe that unions are taking a share of the company's profits; instead, it is a cost of doing business, much like when companies buy services such as supplies, vehicles and of course labor, you pay for their services as the case may be.


    My union always told the company, if you cannot afford to pay this or provide that, open your books up and show us why you cannot afford this. 9 times out of 10, they wouldn't open up the books, so we knew they were simply not being upfront with us.
    The "cost of doing business" is what impedes profits. The profit part of equation is why a company engages in raising capital and taking risks. I'm not a union guy myself as I always cut my own deals but do workers as a rule get a pay cut when profits are down or non existent ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Which is fine for me as well, as long as it's within the limits of what people can afford in taxes.
    I agree. Although I dare say there are people out there who will tell you that they only want to pay $20 or less (I've been at town meetings when taxpayers got up and publicly stated that they cannot afford to pay the fire tax which where I live is about $127 yearly). Many of us are willing to pay our fair share when it comes to taxes but there are those who refuse (sovereign citizens come to mind) to pay any taxes claiming taxing the people goes against the constitution but that is another story for another time.
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    I do not object to collective bargaining for wages and working conditions as long as it does not become foolishly hostile of a Socialist bent. My main objecting is in the job protection racket, even for poor workers who make it all the harder for the most productive along with management and ownership profits.


    I also can't help notice that the fast food and pizza places are seriously pushing online app ordering and pick up services that eliminates onsite jobs. So much for those $15.00 minimum wages not making a difference.

    Last time I walked to McDonald's to order at the counter they acted like I was a nuisance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
    The "cost of doing business" is what impedes profits. The profit part of equation is why a company engages in raising capital and taking risks. I'm not a union guy myself as I always cut my own deals but do workers as a rule get a pay cut when profits are down or non existent ?
    I think it would depend on the language that is written into the contract which both the company and union agree on although I've never heard of any contract in my industry permitting raises or reductions in pay based on profits most likely because they don't give the union any decision-making process as far as running the company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I think it would depend on the language that is written into the contract which both the company and union agree on although I've never heard of any contract in my industry permitting raises or reductions in pay based on profits most likely because they don't give the union any decision-making process as far as running the company.
    With all due respect, the unions should have zero say in how a company is ran.
    First things first. With no company there would be no unions
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I think it would depend on the language that is written into the contract which both the company and union agree on although I've never heard of any contract in my industry permitting raises or reductions in pay based on profits most likely because they don't give the union any decision-making process as far as running the company.
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." - Patrick Henry

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