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    Females As Leaders/Pastors Of Males In Evangelical Churches.

    Females As Leaders/Pastors Of Males In Evangelical Churches.
    By JAG
    Jan 4, 2022


    "I like the freedom to be a preacher", said the Reverend. Henrietta Smartr Thangod,
    senior pastor of the Rebellious Saints Evangelical Mega-Church.


    "What about sodomy", asked the Rev. Deal Infacts, "do you like sodomy?"


    "What?"


    "Well", replied the Rev. Deal Infacts, "the same reasons used to empower you to be
    a leader of men, women, and children in Evangelical churches, are also used to
    empower homosexuals to be leaders of men, women, and children in Evangelical
    churches."


    {When she heard that, the Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod got her shorts in a twist
    and stared coldly at Rev. Deal Infacts.)


    "It was not an accident", continued the Rev. Deal Infacts, "that the Women's Empowerment
    Movement came BEFORE the Homosexual Empowerment Movement."


    "Explain?"


    "The two 'freedoms' go hand in hand", replied Rev. Deal Infacts, "Your Rebellious Saints
    Evangelical Mega-Church does not obey the Bible when it says women are not to preach
    (1 Tim. 2:11-14 and 1 Cor. 14:34-38) so there is no reason for your Rebellious Saints
    Evangelical Mega-Church to obey the Bible when it says for members of your church not
    to perform homosexual sex acts (Romans 1:24-27 and 1 Cor. 6:9-11 and 1 Tim. 1:8-11) ~
    and when it says for them not to preach or pastor Christian churches if they do perform
    homosexual sex acts . . .


    . . . [Rev. Deal Infacts paused for a moment and then added] :


    No Christian denomination will embrace homosexuals as pastors of their churches without
    first changing their minds about women being pastors of their churches."


    The Rev. Deal Infacts continued . . .


    "You becoming the pastor of the Rebellious Saints Evangelical Mega-Church makes it easy
    for homosexuals to become pastors of other Rebellious Saints Evangelical churches. Step

    one, first comes women as preachers in Evangelical Christian Churches. Step two, next
    comes homosexual preachers and pastors in Evangelical Christian churches.


    And remember Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod, you helped make that become a reality."


    "Not all homosexuals who are members in good standing in Evangelical churches practice
    sodomy", smirked the Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod.


    "That is correct", replied Rev. Deal Infacts, "but the Evangelical LGBTQ Movement within
    Evangelical churches has a message for the children in those churches and their message
    to the children is that sodomy is normal and good moral behavior for married homosexual
    couples in Evangelical churches ~ that sodomy is not wrong. They never condemn sodomy
    as a sin."

    Continued Rev. Deal Infacts . . .


    "In fact that is the message the LGBTQ Movement within Evangelical churches
    delivers to everybody ~ to teens, to Fathers, to Mothers, to Families ~ and you Rev.
    Henrietta Smartr Thangod, helped along, to some extent, Evangelicalism's LGBTQ
    Movement within Evangelical churches to put their pro-sodomy message into the
    minds of everybody in those Evangelical churches."


    The Rev. Icanplay Thisgamealso had been listening to the ongoing conversation, and
    he now spoke:


    "The Apostle Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, clearly and boldly said that
    women are forbidden to preach or pastor churches." (1 Tim. 2:11-14 and 1 Cor. 14:34-38)


    "Harrumph", sneered the Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod, "Paul is not Jesus, and Jesus
    told me to preach."


    "No He did not," replied the Rev. Icanplay Thisgamealso, "I talked to Jesus just this morning
    and Jesus told me to tell you, that you misunderstood what He told you. Jesus told me to tell
    you that He said for you not to preach."


    "If the Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod can get special revelation from Jesus, so can the Rev.
    Icanplay Thisgamealso", observed Rev. Deal Infacts.


    At this point the Rev. Deal Infacts said to Rev. Henrietta:


    "In your world, according to the way you interpret the Bible, maybe Jesus did not really die
    for our sins. The same Bible that says Jesus died for our sins also says that a woman is not
    permitted to teach or assume authority over a man (1 Tim. 211-14). You're on dangerous
    ground here Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod because the way you interpret the Bible John 3:16
    may not actually be true."


    "Listen", said the Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod, "our Rebellious Saints Evangelical Mega-Church
    is committed to Diversity and Multiculturalism."


    "If all cultures", replied Rev. Deal Infacts, "are morally equivalent, as Multiculturalism affirms, then
    there is no moral difference in Sodom/Gomorrah and in AnyTown, USA ~ which makes glad that
    Old Serpent Egalitarianism. What do you think about that?"


    "We", replied the Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod, "here at the Rebellious Saints Evangelical
    Mega-church, have joined the world of the 21st century. We are not extreamists, sexists, racists,
    xenophobes, or homophobes. We are in step with the world and we celebrate Diversity."


    Rev. Deal Infacts replied:


    "The Sodomites living in the ancient city of Sodom, if they could have known about Liberalism's
    celebration of Diversity, would have been tickled pink. The mayor of Sodom would have said,
    "America's liberal Rebellious Saints Evangelical Mega-Church wants to celebrate us, oh joy."


    "Don't be so harsh with the good people of the ancient city of Sodom", replied the Rev. Henrietta
    Smartr Thangod, "they may all have been good Christian people at heart."


    []

    Thoughts?
    Don't hold back ~ hold forth

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    Aside from the sad fact that some individuals just have a difficult time taking women seriously in certain jobs, what do you, personally, have against women clergy?
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    That's so outrageous, repulsive and funny I had to read it three times. Lmao

    Great thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Aside from the sad fact that some individuals just have a difficult time taking women seriously in certain jobs, what do you, personally, have against women clergy?
    They do make good prosperity preachers.
    You know " the more you give the more you get. The more you get the more you give "

    I don't know any personally
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    Read this one first:
    Inside the Evangelical Fight Over Gay Marriage | Time
    This one is the biggy
    If you are an Evangelical, be prepared to be startled.

    __________
    Then later this one . . .
    The strange decline of US evangelicalism (christiantoday.com)


    JAG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Aside from the sad fact that some individuals just have a difficult time taking women seriously in certain jobs, what do you, personally, have against women clergy?
    Here is a direct and specific answer to your question


    (1) The Bible specifically, clearly, and boldly forbids it:

    1 Tim. 2:11-14 and 1 Cor. 14:34-38



    (2) Rev. Deal Infacts summed it up for Rev. Henrietta (and everybody else too)
    "In your world, according to the way you interpret the Bible, maybe Jesus did not really die
    for our sins. The same Bible that says Jesus died for our sins also says that a woman is not
    permitted to teach or assume authority over a man (1 Tim. 211-14). You're on dangerous
    ground here Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod because the way you interpret the Bible John 3:16
    may not actually be true."

    And that would mean "Goodbye Christianity."

    JAG


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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Aside from the sad fact that some individuals just have a difficult time taking women seriously in certain jobs, what do you, personally, have against women clergy?

    Its not biblical. We are told Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church

    Like it or not that is what the Word of God commands us. You can make up your own Gospel of course.
    Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
    Here is a direct and specific answer to your question


    (1) The Bible specifically, clearly, and boldly forbids it:

    1 Tim. 2:11-14 and 1 Cor. 14:34-38



    (2) Rev. Deal Infacts summed it up for Rev. Henrietta (and everybody else too)
    "In your world, according to the way you interpret the Bible, maybe Jesus did not really die
    for our sins. The same Bible that says Jesus died for our sins also says that a woman is not
    permitted to teach or assume authority over a man (1 Tim. 211-14). You're on dangerous
    ground here Rev. Henrietta Smartr Thangod because the way you interpret the Bible John 3:16
    may not actually be true."

    And that would mean "Goodbye Christianity."

    JAG


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    Paul frequently addressed issues that arose in the various churches to which he was writing, and his specific admonitions to them were not intended to be universal and for all time. The congregants in Ephesus at that time were hearing what were considered by the Church to be false teachings, and the belief was that it was the women who were responsible for bringing confusion and discord into the community by repeating those teachings. The idea that women, intellectually inferior as they were thought by most men of the time to be, were to be quiet and to be educated in spiritual matters by the men was not only a holdover from Jewish practice at the time - it also reflected the overall prevailing societal idea that women were to be subservient to men in all things and never to presume to believe she had anything to teach a man.

    Elsewhere in the epistles Paul declares it to be disgraceful for a woman to cut her hair or to pray with her head uncovered; he also taught that a man who "prays or prophesies" with his head covered is equally unacceptable (1 Corinthians 11:1-34). Paul taught not only according to the specific needs and circumstances of the communities with which he was communicating, but also with an eye to maintaining the prevailing societal structure and civil laws of the day. Most people today assume that God opposes the practice of human slavery, but what does Paul say about it? "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ" (Ephesians 6:5-8). Was Paul admonishing believers in Christ to maintain the institution of slavery forever because it was God's will that they do so?
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    Well Mr. Wolf lets just rewrite the Bible like we want to rewrite the Constitution. Its all written by old dead men anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Paul frequently addressed issues that arose in the various churches to which he was writing, and his specific admonitions to them were not intended to be universal and for all time. The congregants in Ephesus at that time were hearing what were considered by the Church to be false teachings, and the belief was that it was the women who were responsible for bringing confusion and discord into the community by repeating those teachings. The idea that women, intellectually inferior as they were thought by most men of the time to be, were to be quiet and to be educated in spiritual matters by the men was not only a holdover from Jewish practice at the time - it also reflected the overall prevailing societal idea that women were to be subservient to men in all things and never to presume to believe she had anything to teach a man.

    Elsewhere in the epistles Paul declares it to be disgraceful for a woman to cut her hair or to pray with her head uncovered; he also taught that a man who "prays or prophesies" with his head covered is equally unacceptable (1 Corinthians 11:1-34). Paul taught not only according to the specific needs and circumstances of the communities with which he was communicating, but also with an eye to maintaining the prevailing societal structure and civil laws of the day. Most people today assume that God opposes the practice of human slavery, but what does Paul say about it? "Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ" (Ephesians 6:5-8). Was Paul admonishing believers in Christ to maintain the institution of slavery forever because it was God's will that they do so?
    On this principle (see the bolded in your post up there) there is no stopping place. There is no point where
    anyone can say to another person: "No you are not qualified to pastor a Christian Church." For example,
    let us take a hetrosexual man who is married and both he and his wife live by a sexual moral code that
    allows each of them to have sex with as many people in any given month as they can fit into their schedule.

    It usually averages out to about 10 episodes of consensual sex for both of them with other married couples
    and with unmarried individuals ~` all of legal age and all consensual. The man decides he wants to become
    a pastor of an Evangelical Christian Church and is determined to sustain his present sexual activity, which
    he says is not wrong or sinful.

    On what grounds would you say he is unqualified to become a pastor of a Christian Church?

    JAG


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