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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Control of speech is more important to thugocracy in the long run than disarmament of the masses.
    True. Control of speech is the primary tool for an adversary.

    Taking weapons is a manner of doing so without opposition verbalized , written etc


    The #1 free speech question is who decides when , where and what is not freedom of speech .


    IOW , "hate speech " has been defined in a manner that is unfair and clearly points out who opposes it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post
    That is pure RUBBISH! Our great nation was founded upon principles of liberal democracy!
    That’s odd being that we are and never have been a democracy.

    This nation was as a libertarian republic.

    Democracy is evil incarnate, it is two wolves and a sheep voting on who is going to be dinner.
    More 1776, less 1984.
    Make Orwell Fiction Again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    I agree 100%. Progressives and Democrats are Enemies of Freedom. I have many disagreements with Conservatives, but Liberals are The Greater Evil.
    I agree, with the exception that democrats are not liberals … they are trespassing on the language by putting a smiley face out there while they pillage liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
    True. Control of speech is the primary tool for an adversary.

    Taking weapons is a manner of doing so without opposition verbalized , written etc


    The #1 free speech question is who decides when , where and what is not freedom of speech .


    IOW , "hate speech " has been defined in a manner that is unfair and clearly points out who opposes it
    The SCOTUS has been very strong on defending 1A and 2A.

    The problem is that the population has largely been priced out of competent legal care.

    Localities know this and some use it to violate rights a lot.

    The cop who does it doesn’t pay except in the most brutal cases, the taxpayer does.

    The internal affairs department in many cities is completely buggered.

    Our nation needs to realize that the system is rotting from within.
    More 1776, less 1984.
    Make Orwell Fiction Again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    That’s odd being that we are and never have been a democracy.

    This nation was as a libertarian republic.

    Democracy is evil incarnate, it is two wolves and a sheep voting on who is going to be dinner.
    Libertarian never existed back then!
    If you hate democracy you must be a FASCIST!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post
    Libertarian never existed back then!
    If you hate democracy you must be a FASCIST!!
    Our Founders hated democracy (at the federal level).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post
    That is pure RUBBISH! Our great nation was founded upon principles of liberal democracy!
    Classic liberalism, not todays neo Marxist liberalism.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post
    Libertarian never existed back then!
    If you hate democracy you must be a FASCIST!!
    They sure did exist but it was called classic liberalism. Libertarians are closest to classical liberalism than Rs or Ds.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    It absolutely is, but too many today are convinced they must control not only others' speech, but also their thoughts.

    I think we started down that slippery slope when we enacted "hate crimes." A crime is a crime is a crime, yet we chose to enact punishment for the thoughts of the perpetrator. We justified it by saying hate crimes had the special ability to strike fear in the hearts of those who might be similar to the victim of certain crimes.

    But many types of crimes strike fear in others--how many shop owners were worried when riots and looting broke out in numerous cities?
    "Hate crimes " is very biased by it's definition. The definition is one that excludes the alleged victim from prosecution simply for repeating back to the speaker what the speaker just stated. It's a racist insincere travesty of applied justice.


    What's not to like about one's voting base having free reign on the the competition while the alleged perpetrator is stifled , by law before the infraction ever occurs.

    I have to believe that Hate Crime laws are meant to frustrate, anger and bait the ones who do not enjoy the same freedoms as the group it is supposed to protect while also creating loyalty to the ideology they tend to embrace.
    Last edited by Cotton1; 06-06-2023 at 08:37 PM.
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