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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Incorrect . I just make commonsense statements that you seem unable to deal with . Commonsense is not something Americans are renowned for .....in particular , ones with a military background .
    No you don't.
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    Has Russia’s Attack on Ukraine Begun?

    Cyber attacks have preceded recent Russian military moves. After the talks failed, Russia (likely) conducted a large scale cyber attack on the Ukraine.

    The signs from Ukraine are bleak as hybrid warfare attacks are already underway.

    Hours after the failure of negotiations with the US, NATO, and the OSCE to persuade Russia to remove 100,000 troops from close to Ukraine’s borders, the Kremlin organized a huge attack on Ukraine’s digital infrastructure.

    Or at least, that’s the likeliest explanation for today’s (January 14) events. Because while it’s absolutely certain that Russia is furious that its demands were rejected by the West, and has organized past cyber-offensives against Ukraine, the nature of internet assault can allow the assailant anonymity, at least for a while. Ukrainian special services announced they are investigating the origins, but there were few in Ukraine who doubted Russian responsibility.


    What we do know is this: Ukrainian government websites were attacked and stopped working and a statement was attached. “Be afraid and expect the worst,” it said in Ukrainian, Russian, and broken Polish below an image of a crossed-out Ukrainian flag. “This is for your past, your present, and your future.”


    There was no surprise at the development within Ukraine. There is a growing consensus that a Russian attack is inevitable, the only question being the sequence of events. The preferred tactics will fall under the umbrella category of so-called hybrid warfare, which can include cyber offensives (as well as military, political, economic, civilian, and information weaponry) to soften up targets before other elements are brought into play.


    This expectation was underlined today (January 14), when the Biden administration said Russia was covertly preparing attacks against its own separatist allies in Eastern Ukraine. “We have information that indicates Russia has already prepositioned a group of operatives to conduct a false-flag operation in eastern Ukraine,” an official told the Washington Post. “The operatives are trained in urban warfare and in using explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia’s own proxy forces.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Has Russia’s Attack on Ukraine Begun?

    Cyber attacks have preceded recent Russian military moves. After the talks failed, Russia (likely) conducted a large scale cyber attack on the Ukraine.
    The cyber attack on Ukraine was more likely initiated by Poland or the US , to support their fast failing , fake story about an impending Russian invasion ........(lol) All Russia needs to do is initiated their counter-measures to NATO expansion , and just wait . No doubt the frustrated NATO and US will end up doing something really stupid , as usual , and pay the price for it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The cyber attack on Ukraine was more likely initiated by Poland or the US , to support their fast failing , fake story about an impending Russian invasion ........(lol) All Russia needs to do is initiated their counter-measures to NATO expansion , and just wait . No doubt the frustrated NATO and US will end up doing something really stupid , as usual , and pay the price for it .
    Ridiculous claim. Tokyo Rose strikes again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Ridiculous claim. Tokyo Rose strikes again.
    Not at all . Russia is under no pressure to do anything . They have no plan to attack Ukraine ad ever did - that's just part of some hair-brained US scheme . If the US doesn't come to the party on Russia's European security requirements , Russia just moves straight on to implementing their counter-measures , then sits back a waits for the warmongers to start tripping over their own feet . China watches on with amusement .........and just waits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The cyber attack on Ukraine was more likely initiated by Poland or the US , to support their fast failing , fake story about an impending Russian invasion ........(lol) All Russia needs to do is initiated their counter-measures to NATO expansion , and just wait . No doubt the frustrated NATO and US will end up doing something really stupid , as usual , and pay the price for it .
    Cyber attacks are part of Russia's hybrid warfare doctrine.

    And we know the Poles are good at technology. So there you go. It was the Russians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Not at all . Russia is under no pressure to do anything . They have no plan to attack Ukraine ad ever did - that's just part of some hair-brained US scheme . If the US doesn't come to the party on Russia's European security requirements , Russia just moves straight on to implementing their counter-measures , then sits back a waits for the warmongers to start tripping over their own feet . China watches on with amusement .........and just waits.
    Stupid statement. This is either a rejection of common sense or propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Cyber attacks are part of Russia's hybrid warfare doctrine.

    And we know the Poles are good at technology. So there you go. It was the Russians.
    According to who , US "experts" ? .......(lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    According to who , US "experts" ? .......(lol)
    No. According to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    No. According to me.
    Well , in that case I would say that you have a very warped and incorrect opinion of the situation with Russia . I don't believe Russia has a hybrid warfare doctrine at all . What they do have , is a very effective defense force which has gained power and abilities as needed , since the collapse of the Soviet Union. When the USSR shut down , Russia was lied to by the US , and have been given the dirty low down ever since , just so lard arsed seat polishing military parasites could justify their pathetic existence , and the existence of their meal ticket , Nato . Russia has been patient all of these years but the US just continue to lie and cheat...well , the patience looks like it's run out , and I think the US is in trouble .

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