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    The Anatomy of Fascism

    By Robert O. Paxton, 2004 Vintage Press
    There are people who still do not understand that Fascism was and still is populated in full by far right-wing nationalist extremists who detest the left and continuously work to destroy it by whatever means necessary and author Robert O Paxton put years into The Anatomy of Fascism in order to show how what Fascism is and how they took over Europe: who they hated and who they rewarded, and why. I’ve taken three paragraphs from the reading to show that conservatives and business were the chief aids to Fascism taking of power. This shows us that the very idea that Fascism is some sort of left leaning phenomenon or agenda is just plain ludicrous.

    Forming Alliances

    pg100
    We saw in chapter 3 that the Nazis received less direct financial help from business than we may have assumed. Before the final deal that put Hitler in power, German big business greatly preferred a solid reassuring conservative like von Papen to the unknown Hitler with his crackpot economic advisors. In the final tense months, when Hitler was refusing all lesser offers in an all-or-nothing gamble on becoming chancellor, and when party radicalism resurfaced in the Berlin Transport Strike, money grew scarcer. The NSDP was virtually broke after a disappointing election of November 1932. A relatively minor Cologne banker, Kurt von Schoder, served as a go-between in negotiations between Hitler and von Papen, but business contributions did not become a major resource for Hitler until after he attained power. Then, of course, the game changed. Businessmen contributed hugely to the new Nazi authorities and set about accommodating themselves to a regime that would reward many of them richly with armament contracts, and all of them by breaking the back of organized labor in Germany
    What Fascists Offered the Establishment

    pg103
    The fascist offered more than mere numbers. They offered fresh young faces to the public weary of an aging establishment that had made a mess of things. The two youngest parties in Italy and Germany were the communists and the fascists. Both nations longed for new leaders, and the fascist offered conservatives a fountain of youth. The fascist also offered another way of belonging – deeper commitment and discipline in an era when conservatives feared dissolution of the social bond.

    Fascists had also found a magic formula for weaning workers away from Marxism. Long after Marx asserted that the working class had no homeland, conservatives had been unable to find a way to refute him. None of their nineteenth-century nostrums – deference, religion, schooling – had worked. On the eve of World War I, the Action Francaise had enjoyed some success recruiting individual workers to nationalism, and the unexpectedly wide acceptance by workers of their patriotic duty to fight for their homelands when World War I began foretold that in the twentieth century Nation was going to be stronger than class.

    Fascist everywhere have built on that revelation.
    Another seductive fascist offer was a way to overcome the climate of disorder that the fascvist themselves had helped to cause.
    pg104:
    In sum, fascist offered a new recipe for governing with popular support but without any sharing of power with the left, and without any threat to conservative social and economic privileges and political dominance. The conservatives for their part held the keys to the doors of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    By Robert O. Paxton, 2004 Vintage Press
    There are people who still do not understand that Fascism was and still is populated in full by far right-wing nationalist extremists who detest the left and continuously work to destroy it by whatever means necessary and author Robert O Paxton put years into The Anatomy of Fascism in order to show how what Fascism is and how they took over Europe: who they hated and who they rewarded, and why. I’ve taken three paragraphs from the reading to show that conservatives and business were the chief aids to Fascism taking of power. This shows us that the very idea that Fascism is some sort of left leaning phenomenon or agenda is just plain ludicrous.

    Forming Alliances

    pg100

    What Fascists Offered the Establishment

    pg103


    pg104:
    proving once again, you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about, but you'll sure lie about it
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    "The Nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools."
    - Thucydides

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" B. Franklin
    Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    proving once again, you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about, but you'll sure lie about it
    But he thinks he found someone to agree with him and that is the only qualification he needs.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

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    proving once again, you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about, but you'll sure lie about it
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    But he thinks he found someone to agree with him and that is the only qualification he needs.
    Last edited by jgarden477; 01-23-2022 at 01:10 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden477 View Post
    I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.
    Leo Szilard
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." - Patrick Henry

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    Who is the one genius you refer to?
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." - Patrick Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by testsubjectalpha View Post
    Who is the one genius you refer to?
    Well I hate to toot my own horn, especially since it can lead to blindness...





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    Quote Originally Posted by testsubjectalpha View Post
    Who is the one genius you refer to?
    For waltky: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
    "The Nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools."
    - Thucydides

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    Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

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    the OP is rather vague and incoherent as to what exactly the point of this thread is. I'll take it as Paxton's view of fascism.

    To set some context, Paxton is a lefty, as we'll see in the following piece he wrote. But we don't want to dismiss him for that, it'd be ad hom. His view of fascism is, I think, fair enough, though I'm no expert. You'll just have to weed out the left attitude to get at the right stuff.


    Jan 7, 2016, ROBERT O. PAXTONIs Fascism Back?

    In 2015, “fascism” once again became the highest-octane political epithet in general use. Of course, the temptation to apply the fascism label is almost overwhelming when we confront language and behavior that superficially resembles that of Hitler and Mussolini. At the moment, it is being widely applied to cases as disparate as Donald Trump, the Tea Party, the National Front in France, and radical Islamist assassins. But, though the temptation to call such actors “fascist” is understandable, it should be resisted.

    ...At its creation in the 1920s (first in Italy and then in Germany), fascism was a violent reaction against a perceived excess of individualism. Italy was scorned and Germany was defeated in World War I, Mussolini and Hitler claimed, because democracy and individualism had sapped them of national unity and will.

    <snip historical events>

    The fascists set themselves up (and acquired elite support) as the only effective barrier to the other political movement that surged following World War I: Communism. To international socialism the fascists opposed [sic, offered] a national socialism, and while they crushed socialist parties and abolished independent labor unions, they never for a moment questioned the state’s obligation to maintain social welfare (except for internal enemies such as Jews, of course).

    <snip The Islamic State is not fascist.>

    The Tea Party is at the farthest remove from fascism’s state-enhancing nature. With its opposition to all forms of public authority and its furious rejection of any obligation to others, it is better called right-wing anarchism. It is individualism run amok, a denial of any community obligations, the very opposite of a fascist appeal to the supremacy of communal obligations over individual autonomy. [Such hyperbole but still.]

    <snip The National Front and its founder, Jean-Marie Le Pen.>

    Donald Trump is a special case altogether. Superficially, he seems to have borrowed a number of fascist themes for his presidential campaign: xenophobia, racial prejudice, fear of national weakness and decline, aggressiveness in foreign policy, a readiness to suspend the rule of law to deal with supposed emergencies. His hectoring tone, mastery of crowds, and the skill with which he uses the latest communications technologies also are reminiscent of Mussolini and Hitler.

    And yet these qualities are at most derivative of fascist themes and styles; the underlying ideological substance is very different, with the entitlements of wealth playing a greater role than fascist regimes generally tolerated.... <snip diatribe against Trump, the important point, Trump is not a fascist.>

    It is too bad that we have so far been unable to furnish another label with the toxic power of fascism for these abhorrent people and movements. We will have to make do with more ordinary words: religious fanaticism for the Islamic State, reactionary anarchism for the Tea Party, and self-indulgent demagoguery on behalf of oligarchy for Donald Trump. There are fringe movements today, such as Aryan Nations in the United States and Golden Dawn in Greece, that draw openly upon Nazi symbolism and employ physical violence. The term “fascist” is better left to them.

    In general then, according to Paxton, ignoring his dislikes, neither the Tea Parties nor Trump, what we might call the right in America, are fascist.

    Fascism, per Paxton, was national socialism. It was as opposed to Western democracy and capitalism and individualism as the communists were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    the OP is rather vague and incoherent as to what exactly the point of this thread is. I'll take it as Paxton's view of fascism.

    To set some context, Paxton is a lefty, as we'll see in the following piece he wrote. But we don't want to dismiss him for that, it'd be ad hom. His view of fascism is, I think, fair enough, though I'm no expert. You'll just have to weed out the left attitude to get at the right stuff.


    Jan 7, 2016, ROBERT O. PAXTONIs Fascism Back?




    In general then, according to Paxton, ignoring his dislikes, neither the Tea Parties nor Trump, what we might call the right in America, are fascist.

    Fascism, per Paxton, was national socialism. It was as opposed to Western democracy and capitalism and individualism as the communists were.
    I agree with most of what he has to say there. I agree with you that the Trump critique is a distraction.

    Get ready for a new thread in the Hole. You'll get the notification soon enough. This is one weird mofo.
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