Biden admits Russia 'will be able to prevail over time' if it invades Ukraine

[Ethereal]

This is the President of the United States throwing in the towel before an Enemy attacks one of our Allies.

Russia is not an "enemy" of the US. And the Ukrainian government are not "allies" of the US. It would be insanely stupid and reckless to even contemplate a military confrontation between the US and Russia over Ukrainian territory.

He is destroying our standing and image all over the world.

He is destroying our standing by telling the truth?

[Ethereal]

We should be worried.
Seriously worried.

Yes, we should be worried that insane idiots might cause a nuclear war and kill us all.

[Ethereal]

Although I am with you in spirit, the reality is that is exactly what the world said before their attitude got them involved in WWII. Czechoslovakia just happens to had physically bordered what is the Ukraine today. O it is kind of like saying that we should left the gangs go wild in Chicago when we know they will not stay there.

If Russia takes Ukraine then their national security suddenly shifts to any border that the Ukraine touches and they demand that they cannot be NATO countries. This is not about protecting Moscow. The Baltic states are already as close or closer.

The attitude that got us into WWII was the same attitude that got us into WWI. Namely, the progressive belief that the US had to make the world safe for "democracy" and even "human rights". There was actually no real reason why the US needed to break its neutrality in either WWI or WWII. Germany never had aspirations for world domination or even domination of western Europe. They wanted a large buffer between Germany and Russia on their east and they wanted equal status on the world stage with the British empire. Not exactly unreasonable from their perspective.

[carolina73]

The attitude that got us into WWII was the same attitude that got us into WWI. Namely, the progressive belief that the US had to make the world safe for "democracy" and even "human rights". There was actually no real reason why the US needed to break its neutrality in either WWI or WWII. Germany never had aspirations for world domination or even domination of western Europe. They wanted a large buffer between Germany and Russia on their east and they wanted equal status on the world stage with the British empire. Not exactly unreasonable from their perspective.

Sorry but they were already in Belgium, Holland and France before the US got into the war.

I would not prefer to get involved with Ukraine but I'm simply pointing out what the consequences can be. Russian troops in Ukraine put them on the border with Poland, Slovakia and more NATO countries.

However, I do recognize that much of this is at the hands of the Democrats who made Russia enemy number 1 and Putin no doubt knows that. For 4 years of Trump all the Democrats did was scream that Russia did it and go get them.

The Democrats do not want anyone watching them cuddle up with China.

[testsubjectalpha]

Did anyone else catch Biden today saying Bernie Sanders is a Socialist?

[testsubjectalpha]

Did anyone else catch today Biden saying he talked to XI and there is no transparency. The question involved the Biden's family financial ties to the Chinese banking system.

[testsubjectalpha]

Joe, your speeker is leaving.

Pelosi and Florida - WSJ

[invictus]

The attitude that got us into WWII was the same attitude that got us into WWI. Namely, the progressive belief that the US had to make the world safe for "democracy" and even "human rights". There was actually no real reason why the US needed to break its neutrality in either WWI or WWII. Germany never had aspirations for world domination or even domination of western Europe. They wanted a large buffer between Germany and Russia on their east and they wanted equal status on the world stage with the British empire. Not exactly unreasonable from their perspective.

You might want to read "Mein Kampf" to get a hold of Hitlers intentions... He didn't want a buffer with Russia, he literally wanted Russia for expansion of German state. He estimated that that about 26 million Russians would need to die in the war (Which was actually the number that died) to make room for German people and use the rest of Russians for enslavement. He also wanted to wipe out some groups altogether, like the Jews, Gypsies, mentally ill, etc...

As far as why US got into fighting in WWII was because Germany, upkeeping their pact with Japan, declared war on the United States after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Biggest mistake he made because up to that point, Roosevelt wanted involvement but his hands were legally tied. He did what he could to help Britain and Russia but it was crumbs. When Hitler declared war, he untied Roosevelt's hands and US was able to mass supply Britain and Russia as well as get involved in the war directly.

[Peter1469]

I actually hate Ukraine (because they're a bad influence on the United States; they're corrupt). Let them fight Russia on their own dime.

Someone above claimed the Ukraine was an ally with the US. That certainly isn't true.

Yes, you are right about the Ukraine being a very corrupt nation.

[Peter1469]

Although I am with you in spirit, the reality is that is exactly what the world said before their attitude got them involved in WWII. Czechoslovakia just happens to had physically bordered what is the Ukraine today. So it is kind of like saying that we should left the gangs go wild in Chicago when we know they will not stay there.

If Russia takes Ukraine then their national security suddenly shifts to any border that the Ukraine touches and they demand that they cannot be NATO countries. This is not about protecting Moscow. The Baltic states are already as close or closer.

To Russia it is indeed about strategic depth. It is too late for Russia to do anything about the Baltic States. Russia was too weak to do anything about them entering NATO at that time. That is not the case today.

NATO war games indicate that if Russia attacked the Baltics, they could seize them within 18 hours, too fast for NATO to react.

The US can certainly use the crisis in the Ukraine to its own benefit, but the US should not go to overt war with Russia over it. We have no vital interests to do that, while Russia has existential interests with escalation over. If the US pushes too hard there it very well may trigger a nuclear exchange.