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    Love it, including the shots at congress

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    From an energy standpoint, they really don't know what they're doing. And, you can't tell them because AOC said the world is ending in 12 years. I think that was 3 years ago so we only have 9 years left, I guess.

    We consume a massive amount of energy. They don't seem to understand that we can convert fossil fuel to electricity, but we can't do the reverse. We need powerful (cheap) sources of energy in order to keep people warm/cool, and alive.

    We're already seeing the poor being left behind when it comes to paying for heat and AC for their homes. State programs and local charities are trying to pick up the slack, but they can't do that forever.

    They don't want carbon-producing energy. I get that, but for God's sake, stop it with the renewables already. That industry is such a scam (on a utility scale). Nuclear doesn't create carbon and we're learning how to reduce and recycle its waste.

    I'm tired of people doing things for appearances that are detrimental to society as a whole.


    Great points. I personally believe that the best way for renewables to help ( not take over AOC, but help) is at the micro level like home solar. But the lack of that $100.00 a month umbilical cord the governments going to push solar farms instead, complete with all that loss of electricity in transport

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    Ouch!





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    What happened to Hybrids? They serve both needs for most of the people but they are declining by the numbers that I have seen. Again they are not for everyone because going up mountains on 3 cylinder engines is not much fun.
    Hybrids and EVs are up in the used car market. Is that good or does that mean that people are dumping them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Great points. I personally believe that the best way for renewables to help ( not take over AOC, but help) is at the micro level like home solar. But the lack of that $100.00 a month umbilical cord the governments going to push solar farms instead, complete with all that loss of electricity in transport
    I had solar and did not put them back up when I replaced the roof. It cost me more in electricity every month but there is no equipment to replace anymore. Maybe when they become so efficient that they do not needs subsidies then I will try again. Currently subsidies are the only reason that they sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    What happened to Hybrids? They serve both needs for most of the people but they are declining by the numbers that I have seen. Again they are not for everyone because going up mountains on 3 cylinder engines is not much fun.
    Hybrids and EVs are up in the used car market. Is that good or does that mean that people are dumping them.
    My hybrid does mountains easily. But it is an SUV, not a tiny car. I wouldn't tow with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Great points. I personally believe that the best way for renewables to help ( not take over AOC, but help) is at the micro level like home solar. But the lack of that $100.00 a month umbilical cord the governments going to push solar farms instead, complete with all that loss of electricity in transport

    I completely agree.

    Some places in Kansas have seen a 70% increase in electric rates in the past decade due to having to pay for the transmission build-out for wind farms. It's all in the way the Southwest Power Pool (SPP) allocates the cost of transmission lines. So, we have a multitude of wind farms with relatively small-scale lines that may supply power to a different state, yet the local ratepayers must foot the bill for the lines. It's a mess.

    But solar (more than wind) on a micro scale as you say, offers a benefit for individual homeowners because it alleviates some of those high electric rates.

    But then we have utility companies like Evergy (the biggest in the state) that started charging homeowners who had supplemental solar an additional $40 per month. They justified the charge saying they still needed the funds to pay for the line maintenance even if the homeowners were generating some of their own electricity. Kansas Courts overruled that charge--thankfully.

    Crazy stuff is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I completely agree.

    Some places in Kansas have seen a 70% increase in electric rates in the past decade due to having to pay for the transmission build-out for wind farms. It's all in the way the Southwest Power Pool (SPP) allocates the cost of transmission lines. So, we have a multitude of wind farms with relatively small-scale lines that may supply power to a different state, yet the local ratepayers must foot the bill for the lines. It's a mess.

    But solar (more than wind) on a micro scale as you say, offers a benefit for individual homeowners because it alleviates some of those high electric rates.

    But then we have utility companies like Evergy (the biggest in the state) that started charging homeowners who had supplemental solar an additional $40 per month. They justified the charge saying they still needed the funds to pay for the line maintenance even if the homeowners were generating some of their own electricity. Kansas Courts overruled that charge--thankfully.

    Crazy stuff is going on.

    As you said they are selling the country down the river for power. And when I say they I don't just mean the dems. The irony of course is that by doing so they don't really have power at all. The special interest do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They may know and not care. This would fit exactly into the Great Reset. Turn homeowners into renters who live in small apartments near enough to work to walk or use public transportation.
    They think it is good enough for them in NYC and San Fran so we should live that way as well.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    They think it is good enough for them in NYC and San Fran so we should live that way as well.
    But more managed that that. The State will decide who lives were to ensure you are close to work.
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