Politics and Gender.

[CCitizen]

This is not a nanoessay -- rather a vent expressing my emotions about Gender and Politics. These emotions have not changed much since the time Al Gore had 5-10 point lead over George Bush. That lead, and the Recount brought me great distress for most of that Summer and Fall.


I agree with Liberals on about 80% of issues. I support Welfare State. I support Humane Socialism. I believe in Equality of all people.


But I can not be a Liberal since they support Discrimination Against Men much more then Conservatives. Conservatives view men's Gender Role as Providers and Protectors. Liberals view men as Providers, Protectors, and Penitents.


On Twitter and more so on TikTok, there is a continuum of slanderous generalizations about men up to celebration of male suicide and "kill all men". Men who complain or disagree these generalizations are cancelled from Liberal circles. According to many Liberals, men are oppressors, thus they must accept any verbal abuse from the oppressed without protest.


One young Liberal Man on r/MensLib said

Yep. It's a weird experience, going with a movement like "I'm here because I agree with just about all your policy goals, even though I know a not-insubstantial amount of my fellow feminists view me as subhuman."

I would say

I disagree with Conservatives 80%, but anyone who opposes those who view me as subhuman is my friend.

I do understand that many Conservatives would not like to have a basically Liberal ally. But as a sane man I have no choice -- even though I happen to be a Liberal on most issues.

[FindersKeepers]

I wish society could move past identity politics. It sometimes seems as though they seek to divide us by sex, race, and culture, among other things.

You're right in that males have been targeted of late, especially white, Christian males, and that's wrong. You're Jewish, but it's still wrong.

But, you don't have to accept that label. You don't have to see yourself as being any less than any other human on this planet. Because, you're not less. You're equal. You're equal to the mayor of your community. You're equal to the wealthiest businessperson in your community. You're equal to everyone.

Understand that society assesses odd values for human beings--but those valuations don't mean squat.

We need rules to maintain law, order, and continuity, but don't let those superficial rules define who you are.

Understand that those who would belittle you feel insecure and need the reassurance they get from knocking you down.

I'm not saying society doesn't have its problems--it does. But, you can decide not to become mired in conversations that make you feel targeted. You can decide to step back and see the situation as an outsider might see it. Just observe the conversations and analyze them--leave the emotion out. Then, you'll begin to see that those who belittle you have nothing more than you have.

[donttread]

This is not a nanoessay -- rather a vent expressing my emotions about Gender and Politics. These emotions have not changed much since the time Al Gore had 5-10 point lead over George Bush. That lead, and the Recount brought me great distress for most of that Summer and Fall.&lt;br&gt;<br>
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I agree with Liberals on about 80% of issues. I support Welfare State. I support Humane Socialism. I believe in Equality of all people.&lt;br&gt;<br>
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But I can not be a Liberal since they support Discrimination Against Men much &lt;strong&gt;more then Conservatives&lt;/strong&gt;. Conservatives view men's Gender Role as Providers and Protectors. Liberals view men as Providers, Protectors, and &lt;strong&gt;Penitents&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br&gt;<br>
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On Twitter and more so on TikTok, there is a continuum of slanderous generalizations about men up to &lt;strong&gt;celebration of male suicide&lt;/strong&gt; and "kill all men". Men who complain or disagree these generalizations are cancelled from Liberal circles. According to many Liberals, men are &lt;strong&gt;oppressors&lt;/strong&gt;, thus they must accept any verbal abuse from the oppressed without protest. &lt;br&gt;<br>
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One young Liberal Man on r/MensLib said&lt;br&gt;<br>
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I do understand that many Conservatives would not like to have a basically Liberal ally. But as a sane man I have no choice -- even though I happen to be a Liberal on most issues.

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Well in our country men, largely white men, did rule and did oppress in some ways. The group in power usually does. It was a limited oppression with women but their lives were clearly restrained. For example women being able to vote for only a hundred years. And race. Three bathrooms outside southern gas stations within my lifetime. The Japanese internment camps in WW 2. Numerous other examples.

That needed to modernize, to change and IMO it has. However, a generation of activist, professors, politicians either don't see it that way or profit from not seeing it that way. The proverbial pendulum has swung too far and most claims of sexism against women or racism against blacks are so contrived as to be laughable.
Then enter identity politics and it's ability to divide to the advantage of career politicians and to make careers. Now white men are a very lite version of Jews in WW 2 era Germany. To blame for anything and everything despite stubborn facts such as this
The standards that supposedly support oppression are completely different for racism and sexism. Did you ever notice that?

With blacks we look at their socio-economics and they are awful , we then see no overt racism so rather than utilize real social science someone writes a book and we shape the science to fit the theory

But women enjoy many societal advantages over men, not typical of any oppression in history that I can think of. Longer life, more access to to healthcare, and preferential treatment in court to name a few. Men die more from drugs, suicide, murder and accidents of all kinds including from dangerous work sites . Women have more social choices and more freedom to express emotion and when they do those hard jobs they get equal pay.

So using the same standards which is merely the inequities themselves it looks like white women are the oppressors! They usually are not but the pendulum wants them to be. The same criteria as the left use to "prove " discrimination against blacks do not back oppression of women. Period. BTW, please continue to think for yourself not simply in shades of red and blue

[Abby08]

Only someone who doesn't support himself, would support the welfare state and, socialism.

There is nothing more satisfying, than EARNING what you have and, not having it handed to you by people who EARNED what you're being given.

[carolina73]

Twitter and TikTok are not real. They call them influencers for a reason. The are a small number of people trying to control the opinions of the masses. It works on kids because they strive to be cool and belong.

It is why you find "there is a continuum of slanderous generalizations" on these platforms.

[Peter1469]

We need to raise boys to be men. Then we would have a need for threads like this.

[donttread]

Only someone who doesn't support himself, would support the welfare state and, socialism.

There is nothing more satisfying, than EARNING what you have and, not having it handed to you by people who EARNED what you're being given.

If CC's disabilities were physical would you say the same? Just wondering. It's a complex world and there are many who cannot support themselves. What would you have us do about that?

[Crepitus]

This is not a nanoessay -- rather a vent expressing my emotions about Gender and Politics. These emotions have not changed much since the time Al Gore had 5-10 point lead over George Bush. That lead, and the Recount brought me great distress for most of that Summer and Fall.


I agree with Liberals on about 80% of issues. I support Welfare State. I support Humane Socialism. I believe in Equality of all people.


But I can not be a Liberal since they support Discrimination Against Men much more then Conservatives. Conservatives view men's Gender Role as Providers and Protectors. Liberals view men as Providers, Protectors, and Penitents.


On Twitter and more so on TikTok, there is a continuum of slanderous generalizations about men up to celebration of male suicide and "kill all men". Men who complain or disagree these generalizations are cancelled from Liberal circles. According to many Liberals, men are oppressors, thus they must accept any verbal abuse from the oppressed without protest.


One young Liberal Man on r/MensLib said
I would say


I do understand that many Conservatives would not like to have a basically Liberal ally. But as a sane man I have no choice -- even though I happen to be a Liberal on most issues.

CAn you point out some discrimination against men?

[Chris]

I wish society could move past identity politics. It sometimes seems as though they seek to divide us by sex, race, and culture, among other things.

You're right in that males have been targeted of late, especially white, Christian males, and that's wrong. You're Jewish, but it's still wrong.

But, you don't have to accept that label. You don't have to see yourself as being any less than any other human on this planet. Because, you're not less. You're equal. You're equal to the mayor of your community. You're equal to the wealthiest businessperson in your community. You're equal to everyone.

Understand that society assesses odd values for human beings--but those valuations don't mean squat.

We need rules to maintain law, order, and continuity, but don't let those superficial rules define who you are.

Understand that those who would belittle you feel insecure and need the reassurance they get from knocking you down.

I'm not saying society doesn't have its problems--it does. But, you can decide not to become mired in conversations that make you feel targeted. You can decide to step back and see the situation as an outsider might see it. Just observe the conversations and analyze them--leave the emotion out. Then, you'll begin to see that those who belittle you have nothing more than you have.

Only thing I disagree with is this: Society shouldn't move past identity politics, it (we) should engage in open discussion and debate over it, work it out and come to a conclusion. Then, and only then, should it become political, then and only then should the government get involved.

[Crepitus]

Only someone who doesn't support himself, would support the welfare state and, socialism.

There is nothing more satisfying, than EARNING what you have and, not having it handed to you by people who EARNED what you're being given.

"Welfare State" and "Socialism" don't mean what you think they do.