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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    What would Trump have done to stop Putin?
    First of all the US would have been producing and exporting oil which would have starved Russia of funds. Biden is funding the war with lowered US production.

    Trump would have prearranged sanctions and told Putin what he was going to do instead of looking dumb like Biden, who was left saying that we didn't think Putin would do it.

    Trump would also be cranking up sanctions on China and other countries supporting Russia. India would not be so dismissive of the USA.

    Pompeo would not be blinking like Blinken.

    All this comes at the heals of Biden's failure in Afghanistan that should never have happened.

    Your question should be if Putin would have ever dared to start this under Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    First of all the US would have been producing and exporting oil which would have starved Russia of funds. Biden is funding the war with lowered US production.

    Trump would have prearranged sanctions and told Putin what he was going to do instead of looking dumb like Biden, who was left saying that we didn't think Putin would do it.

    Trump would also be cranking up sanctions on China and other countries supporting Russia. India would not be so dismissive of the USA.

    Pompeo would not be blinking like Blinken.

    All this comes at the heals of Biden's failure in Afghanistan that should never have happened.

    Your question should be if Putin would have ever dared to start this under Trump.
    Some interesting points but what specific sanctions could Trump have taken that are different than the sanctions that have not stopped Russia?

    Also , I see Trump as fairly hands off in terms of controlling other countries, which was one of the things I liked about him.

    Having said that you made some interesting points as I said. I had not thought about exporting large amounts of oil. only about the energy independence Biden just gave away.

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    Putin doesn't invade Ukraine if Biden doesn't bungle the Afghanistan withdrawal. Putin decided America is a nation of cowards and nothing bad would happen if he invaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeb! View Post
    Putin doesn't invade Ukraine if Biden doesn't bungle the Afghanistan withdrawal. Putin decided America is a nation of cowards and nothing bad would happen if he invaded.

    That's a leap. Certainly the Biden admin is not much to behold but I think short of military action there was no stop to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    That's a leap. Certainly the Biden admin is not much to behold but I think short of military action there was no stop to this.
    Appearing strong could have been enough.

    Many think the utterly chaotic way Joe* left Afghanistan was the green light for Putin to start his war with Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Appearing strong could have been enough.

    Many think the utterly chaotic way Joe* left Afghanistan was the green light for Putin to start his war with Ukraine.

    Maybe. Or maybe but I do wonder what trump could have done to stop this short of flirting with WW 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Maybe. Or maybe but I do wonder what trump could have done to stop this short of flirting with WW 3
    That thought may have worried Putin enough to not jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStone7476 View Post
    As we all know, Trump likes to say that if HE was president, Putin would NOT have declared war on Ukraine.

    As MOST of us know, Trump is a serial liar; and when he isn’t lying, he’s making stuff up. Is Trump’s “if he was president” statement something that he made-up in order to con the American people again?

    At a pep rally in South Carolina, Trump claimed that Putin attacked Ukraine, because Putin does NOT respect Biden; and that Putin did not attack Ukraine while he was president, because Putin respected HIM.

    Let’s consider Trump’s claim that “Putin did not attack Ukraine while he was president, because Putin respected him”:

    Putin did not attack Ukraine while Trump was president, NOT because he respected Trump. It was because he was able to PLAY Trump, and he was able to get Trump to DANCE to his tune; and thus he was able to CON Trump into doing what he wanted him to do. (Imagine that! Trump, a con artist, was conned. And Trump, with his “very large brain”, was and still is TOTALLY CLUELESS about it. Image that!)

    And there was a SECOND reason why Putin did not attack Ukraine while Trump was president. He was waiting for Trump to destroy NATO; that is, Putin was waiting for Trump to facilitate his plan to invade Ukraine. In other words, Putin was waiting for Trump to lay the groundwork for an easy Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    Now let’s consider Trump’s claim that “Putin respected him”:

    As MOST of us know, Putin did NOT respect Trump; and because he did not respect him, Putin PLAYED Trump. Thus, Trump was Putin’s PUPPET, and he was Putin’s USEFUL IDIOT. And Trump DANCED to Putin’s tune; for example:
    > During a meeting with a bunch of Putin’s people in the Oval Office, Trump kicked out all of the Americans. Then Trump trashed several of his fellow Americans. And then he blurted out classified information, which caused headaches for our intelligence people, and put our national security at risk. (What a buffoon! And Trump said that Hillary had bad judgment. Imagine that!)
    > In Helsinki, Trump threw our intelligence agencies under the bus, and he sided with Putin.
    > Trump had a MRGA (Make Russia Great Again) agenda. For example, he wanted the G7 (formerly, the “G8”) to be expanded to include Russia, which was kicked out of the former G8 for invading Crimea.
    > When Congress passed a law imposing sanctions on Russia, Trump opposed that law, and he delayed the implementation of that law. (And Trump likes to say “no one was tougher on Russia than him”. Imagine that! It sounds like he’s trying to con the American people again.)
    > Trump withdrew our troops from Syria without a clear plan, and that strengthened Putin’s grip on Syria.
    > Trump illegally withheld military aid to Ukraine (aid that Putin opposed because he wanted to invade Ukraine); and Trump did so in an effort to force the Ukrainians to dig-up phony dirt on Biden (a man that Putin did NOT want to be our president, because Biden would NOT be his puppet like Trump was).
    > Trump weakened our NATO alliance (an alliance that Putin hates and fears), and he left Biden a NATO mess.

    Now let’s consider Trump’s claim that “Putin attacked Ukraine, because Putin does not respect Biden”:

    Putin attacked Ukraine, NOT because he had no respect for Biden. He attacked Ukraine because he had no respect for Ukraine, and he had no respect for NATO. That is:
    > Putin had no respect for Ukraine because it is MUCH smaller and MUCH less powerful than Russia. And because of that, Putin thought that he would be able to invade Ukraine without any real resistance from the Ukrainians.
    > And Putin had no respect for NATO, because he thought that Trump had seriously weakened NATO. And because of that, Putin thought that he would be able to invade Ukraine without any real resistance from NATO.

    Trump and the Radical Right Republicans (AKA, the Anti-Democracy Party; AKA, the Retrumplicans) are also claiming that Putin invaded Ukraine because Biden is WEAK. It IS TRUE that Biden is in a WEAKENED position regarding the war in Ukraine. However, it is ALSO TRUE that Biden’s weakened position is the result of at least three factors that are beyond his control; that is:
    1> Biden is trying to effectively combat Putin’s mass destruction and mass slaughter in Ukraine, while trying to prevent Putin from using nuclear weapons, and while trying to prevent Putin from starting World War III.
    2> Biden inherited a NATO that was weakened by Trump, while Trump was trying to make Russia great again, and while the Retrumplicans supported Trump’s NATO-hating and Putin-loving actions.
    3> Biden is being attacked by Trump and the Retrumplicans, while he is trying to combat mass destruction and mass slaughter in Ukraine, while he is trying to prevent a nuclear war, and while he is trying to prevent WW3; and they are attacking him after he had to clean-up the NATO mess that he inherited from THEM (i.e., Trump and the Retrumplicans). (As Trump would say: What a bunch of lowlifes!)

    Now let’s consider Trump’s statement that “Putin would NOT have declared war on Ukraine if HE was president”:

    There are several factors to consider here; that is:
    > As MOST of us know, Putin and Trump had a “master/lapdog” relationship; and Trump was the lapdog. So, if he heard Putin say that he was going to take a big chunk of Ukrainian territory, Trump probably would NOT have objected to that. And he probably would have called Putin a “very savvy genius”.
    > As MOST of us know, Trump was obsessed with appeasing Putin. So, if he saw Putin amassing an OBVIOUS “hostile occupation force” along the Russian/Ukrainian border, Trump probably would NOT have objected to that. And he probably would have called Putin’s OBVIOUS “hostile occupation force” a “peacekeeping force”.
    > If Trump had been re-elected, he would have destroyed NATO. In other words, Trump would have given Putin a tacit go-ahead to do whatever he wanted to do in Europe. And that means that Trump would have given Putin a tacit go-ahead to do whatever he wanted to do in Ukraine (e.g., a go-ahead to invade Ukraine, and thus a go-ahead to commit mass destruction and mass slaughter in Ukraine).

    Hey Trump! If you’re Putin’s lapdog, and if you’re obsessed with appeasing Putin, and if you give Putin a tacit go-ahead to invade Ukraine by destroying NATO, how can you say that Putin would NOT have declared war on Ukraine if YOU were president?

    Actually, there ARE some things that would NOT have happened if Trump was president. For example:
    > Unlike Biden, Trump would NOT have aided the Ukrainians. He would have told the Ukrainians that “you’re on your own” (just like he told the American people during the Covid crisis).
    > Unlike Biden, Trump would NOT have restored the NATO alliance. (Trump would have had no desire, and no ability, to restore the NATO alliance, after he spent four years trying to weaken that alliance, and trying to make Russia great again.)
    > Unlike Biden, Trump would NOT have been able to competently handle the Ukraine crisis (just like he was unable to competently handle the Covid crisis). (Apparently, Trump’s VAST experience in handling fake “reality TV” situations on the Apprentice did NOT prepare him handle “real world” situations that involve national and international crises. Go figure! Who’da thunk it?)

    Also at his pep rally in South Carolina, Trump said that the Biden government does not have anyone who can effectively communicate with Putin; and he said that HE can do that. Is it true that Trump can EFFECTIVELY communicate with Putin, or did Trump make that up in order to con the American people again? If it’s true, then why didn’t he give Putin a call and tell him NOT to invade Ukraine? And if it’s true, then why doesn’t he give Putin a call and tell him to STOP the invasion? (If Trump could do that, then our government could hire him to be our official “Putin whisperer”.)

    In conclusion:
    > As we all know, Trump likes to say that Putin would NOT have declared war on Ukraine, if HE had been elected for a second term in office.
    > However, when Trump was in office the last time, he started laying the groundwork for that war. That is:
    * Trump weakened the NATO alliance. (That was a sign of encouragement to Putin; that is, it was a sign to Putin that he could do anything that he wanted to do in Europe, and that would be OK with Trump.)
    * And Trump showed disrespect for Ukraine when he tried to make an illegal “political dirt for military aid” deal during his “perfect phone call” with Zelensky. (That was also a sign of encouragement to Putin; that is, it was a sign to Putin that Trump did NOT care about the welfare of the Ukrainian people.)
    > Bottom line: Trump’s “second term” statement is something that he made-up in order to con the American people again.
    I prefer facts.

    Here’s what we know:

    - Putin started a war in Ukraine during the Obama regime.

    - Putin did not start a war in Ukraine during the Trump regime.

    - Putin started a war in Ukraine during the Biden regime.

    Apply whatever explanation one prefers, put those are the facts.

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