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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Third is the story, found in Revelations where Jesus claims to be the first and final letter of the Greek alphabet. In my opinion all three are fiction.

    Jesus never said it. It is fiction.
    I didn't write that Jesus said it. The author of the Revelation did. $#@! at him.

    Revelations read like a guy on drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Does it bother you that we do not have perfect knowledge?
    No. That's why we keep searching for answers. I don't pretend to know all the answers. I do have a believe in a Supreme Being that I don't completely understand. I also know the vast majority of human kind have some believe in such a Being. Arthur C. Clarke once wrote a story entitled the "The Nine Billion Names of God" with the premise that once all the 9 billion names are discovered the universe will end. Maybe, maybe not.

    For the record I am a believer in the Nicene Creed

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    hird is the story, found in Revelations where Jesus claims to be the first and final letter of the Greek alphabet. In my opinion all three are fiction.

    Jesus never said it. It is fiction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    I didn't write that Jesus said it. The author of the Revelation did. $#@! at him.
    Revelations read like a guy on drugs.
    I was responding to your comment.


    I believe Christians need to relook at their Bible and rid it of the clearly tall tales.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OLD GUY IN FLORIDA View Post
    No. That's why we keep searching for answers. I don't pretend to know all the answers. I do have a believe in a Supreme Being that I don't completely understand. I also know the vast majority of human kind have some believe in such a Being. Arthur C. Clarke once wrote a story entitled the "The Nine Billion Names of God" with the premise that once all the 9 billion names are discovered the universe will end. Maybe, maybe not.

    For the record I am a believer in the Nicene Creed
    Given the lack of evidence supporting supreme beings I do not believe in any of them.

    What do you think the Nicene Creed says and means?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    hird is the story, found in Revelations where Jesus claims to be the first and final letter of the Greek alphabet. In my opinion all three are fiction.

    Jesus never said it. It is fiction.

    I was responding to your comment.


    I believe Christians need to relook at their Bible and rid it of the clearly tall tales.
    That's what Thomas Jefferson did with the New Testament. He rewrote it--you can find it online--it's called the Jefferson Bible. He removed all of the hocus-pocus and superstitionism, but he kept the rest of the stories because they offer moral lessons.

    At the end, Jesus' body is put in a cave, they roll a stone to block the entrance, and that's it. No resurrection. No ascension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    That's what Thomas Jefferson did with the New Testament. He rewrote it--you can find it online--it's called the Jefferson Bible. He removed all of the hocus-pocus and superstitionism, but he kept the rest of the stories because they offer moral lessons.

    At the end, Jesus' body is put in a cave, they roll a stone to block the entrance, and that's it. No resurrection. No ascension.
    I have no objections to the resurrection story. I do not believe it but do not object to it. I do object to the Noah flood story as it stands without any corroborating evidence. Further it is based on a far earlier mesopotamian flood story, one that is more realistic. I also object to Joshua's battle story as it is impossible. Further, I object to claiming Jesus told John things long after Jesus was dead.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Given the lack of evidence supporting supreme beings I do not believe in any of them.

    What do you think the Nicene Creed says and means?
    If you believe human beings have innate rights, you must believe or you'll need to give that up.

    It seems pretty clear. Read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    That's what Thomas Jefferson did with the New Testament. He rewrote it--you can find it online--it's called the Jefferson Bible. He removed all of the hocus-pocus and superstitionism, but he kept the rest of the stories because they offer moral lessons.

    At the end, Jesus' body is put in a cave, they roll a stone to block the entrance, and that's it. No resurrection. No ascension.
    Who cares? Jefferson suffered from the cognitive dissonance as Mister V.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    If you believe human beings have innate rights, you must believe or you'll need to give that up.

    It seems pretty clear. Read it.
    I believe all living things have a right to their own lives. Our other rights flow from this right. No gods are required.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Who cares? Jefferson suffered from the cognitive dissonance as Mister V.
    Cool. I am in the company of Jefferson (and probably Madison).
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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