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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Who cares? Jefferson suffered from the cognitive dissonance as Mister V.
    What Jefferson did means something.

    It means the lessons from the NT have value in today's world even if the supernatural things are left out.

    That's what people don't understand--just my opinion--because when someone says our ethics and morals are based on Christianity, what Jefferson did shows that to be true. People naturally reject the supernatural, but that doesn't have to ruin the entire story.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I have no objections to the resurrection story. I do not believe it but do not object to it. I do object to the Noah flood story as it stands without any corroborating evidence. Further it is based on a far earlier mesopotamian flood story, one that is more realistic. I also object to Joshua's battle story as it is impossible. Further, I object to claiming Jesus told John things long after Jesus was dead.
    Logically, it can't be true.

    The Noah story, the Creation story, the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah--they're all classified as "etiological myths."

    An etiological myth is one that seeks to teach a lesson through story form. The Bible is full of them, but so are many other holy books and books aren't aren't religious.

    I think most Christian denominations understand and accept that many of the Old Testament stories could not have happened. A couple thousand years ago, of course, they were more believable because science had not disputed so many of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Logically, it can't be true.

    The Noah story, the Creation story, the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah--they're all classified as "etiological myths."

    An etiological myth is one that seeks to teach a lesson through story form. The Bible is full of them, but so are many other holy books and books aren't aren't religious.

    I think most Christian denominations understand and accept that many of the Old Testament stories could not have happened. A couple thousand years ago, of course, they were more believable because science had not disputed so many of them.
    I believed the fundamental facts of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction are correct even if poorly understood.

    Do myths have a place in religious texts?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I believed the fundamental facts of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction are correct even if poorly understood.

    Do myths have a place in religious texts?

    Yes.

    Religious texts are myths.
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    Faith is different than religion.

    Faith is your belief in God
    Religion is your faith in an organization of men that desire power.

    You can have one.
    You can have both of varying degrees of belief.
    You can have neither.

    When I got done with a priest one day, he finally admitted that Noah was just a parable.
    Unfortunately it just happened to be the priest that was going to marry us. Luckily he was my wife's godfather so he married us anyways.

    Yes I have a problem giving up on a fight.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Yes.

    Religious texts are myths.
    Not entirely. Some parts are. Any part that identifies a chosen people is myth. Miracles are myths. But, in some texts there are other things, a smattering of history, poetry, wisdom, community rules, and the like.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    What Jefferson did means something.

    It means the lessons from the NT have value in today's world even if the supernatural things are left out.

    That's what people don't understand--just my opinion--because when someone says our ethics and morals are based on Christianity, what Jefferson did shows that to be true. People naturally reject the supernatural, but that doesn't have to ruin the entire story.
    People don't naturally do anything of the kind. Jefferson was a man of his time and displayed the skepticism characteristic of many intellectuals of that period. But thank you for explaining. I have a better idea of where you wanted to go with that now.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I believe all living things have a right to their own lives. Our other rights flow from this right. No gods are required.
    Cool "superstition".
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Cool. I am in the company of Jefferson (and probably Madison).
    That you are, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Cool "superstition".
    Your belief in gods? I agree.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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