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Thread: Turkey’s leader opposes letting Finland, Sweden join NATO

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    Turkey is playing let's make a deal:

    NATO allies read Turkey’s wish list as Ankara holds up membership bids

    Turkey’s main objection is to the presence of those it considers members or supporters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Sweden and Finland. Ankara has also complained of Swedish ministers meeting Syrian Kurdish politicians it accuses of having ties to the PKK.
    Most of the Turkish protests seem to relate to Sweden, which has a large Kurdish diaspora. The Kurdish-speaking population of Finland was estimated at just over 15,000 in 2020, less than 0.3% of the population.


    However, a day after Erdogan’s initial comments his spokesperson Ibrahin Kalin, who also acts as chief foreign policy adviser, said Turkey was “not closing the door” to Sweden and Finland. He added, “Of course we want to have a discussion, a negotiation with Swedish counterparts.”


    Following a telephone call between Kalin and officials from Sweden, Finland, Germany, Britain and the United States, the Turkish president’s office said, “It was underlined that if Turkey’s expectations were not met, the progress of the process would not be possible.”




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    Al Monitor chimes in:

    Erdogan’s high price for Sweden, Finland joining NATO

    US President Joe Biden told Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson and Finland’s President Sauli Niinisto on May 19 at the White House that they have the "full, total, complete backing" of the United States in their bids for NATO membership. 

    Nonetheless, as of this writing, the bids by Sweden and Finland are stuck.
    All NATO members must agree to expand the alliance.


    And Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan doesn’t agree.




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    Maybe Turkey does not fit NATO. I'm not suggesting that it be reversed but they seem to be more neutral than in line with the US/Europe alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Maybe Turkey does not fit NATO. I'm not suggesting that it be reversed but they seem to be more neutral than in line with the US/Europe alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    [/B]Who made that rule? Did you?

    That reminds me of the old--now discarded--rule that a man can't rape his wife. He owns her, you see.

    But, of course bullying can come from within. In most cases, that's where it comes from.


    Nobody said they did.

    Neither does Ukraine have a right to kill its former citizens who have seceded and declared independence.

    But, by supporting Ukraine, that's exactly what you're supporting--the murder of those people.
    But, by supporting Ukraine, that's exactly what you're supporting--the murder of those people

    Total nonsense.You don't seem to mind what Russia is doing. Russia invaded a sovereign nation. We aren't sending US troops in and won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    An Army is more than its order of battle.

    France wanted most of all to avoid a replay of WWI. The Maginot Line was brilliant but not completed. Further, for it to be useful it needed to be defended by large mobile, combined arms divisions and corps in France's interior.

    It is not a trivial exercise to reach Poland from France in 1939. Therefor, what? Invade Germany?

    With the German Army in Poland, France and Great Britain could have invaded Germany. Germany had 98 Divisions and used 60 of them. France and GB could have beaten the other 38.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Dave, do you believe we ought to follow our Constitution in this matter? Should the President, or Resident Biden if the Shadow President Obama is not available, go to Congress and seek a declaration of war with Russia?
    I have never heard anyone say that. We aren't the ones fighting. You people use it as a red herring. The Senate voted 86-11 to send the assistance. It wasn't close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    We know from captured documents and interviews post-war that had the allies stood up at Poland, the Germans had orders to return home.


    No. I have stated many times that I do not think we should declare war against Russia. I have said that many times. Wasn't the disagreement over providing aid to the Ukraine - so as to try to avoid the WWII repeat - which I have said it has that feel to me? (honestly, I forget what the disagreement was over) I've never said we have to declare war on Russia - in fact, I've said the opposite.
    Tell a lie often enough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Dave, declaring war is the Constitutional action required to wage war against Russia. Providing logistics, communications and intelligence support to Ukraine is waging war with Ukraine against Russia. Chose only one option. You cannot have it both ways.
    Bull$#@!. Sending aid is not fighting a war with anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Yes, it is Dave. So why are you so eager for war with Russia?
    Lying must be natural for you. You twist people words to suit your needs. Sort of pathetic to have to do that to keep up.
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