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    صدمت! شيخ أردني وحاخامات يهود في مقابلة ممتعة - ركن المتحدثين





    العشوائية أم المصمم الذكي؟ - حمزة وعباس في حوار مع ملحد






    الله أكبر!! سيدة إنجليزية تنطق بالشهادة بعد أن اكتشفت أنها مسلمة ولا تعرف






    الكتاب المقدس يحمل الكتاب المقدس حتى يحمله من الكتاب المقدس






    التشويش على الدعوة - منصور في حوار مع ملحدة

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    The miracles of Christ in his time, only
    God gave the miracles to Christ

    like healing people

    But now Christ does not heal nor save anyone

    Just personal experiences that don't matter


    Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’’

    Matthew 7.

    "And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE, the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom THOU hast sent", I HEARD, YOU are the ONLY TRUE God and I am HIS messenger!!! THIS was the mission of Jesus on this earth, to call HIS people to the worship of the ONLY true God and to show HIS people that THEIR God sent him with wonders, signs and miracles to prove that he was indeed sent as a messenger TO them!!! This has been the way of the Creator, to send MEN with signs and wonders as their bona fides, to prove who they are, so that the people believe!



    see here
    P1 - I Can Heal You! Hashim & Healing Christian | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park


    P2 - I Can Heal You! Hashim & Healing Christian | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park


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    The existing Gospel is not a reliable reference and it is not permissible to believe in what it contains in proving anything or denying it
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    Moreover, it appears from the words of the scholars: that alcohol was forbidden in the religion of Jesus, upon him and upon
    and religion of islam

    You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come,



    ◄ Leviticus 10:9 ►



    The author of the book The Convergence of Religions stated: that priests and kings put in place many laws and ignorant obeyed them in analysis and prohibition, and he mentioned that they permitted wine and pork and worshiped crosses and images affixed to the walls
    and they claimed that Jesus is: God or the Son of God

    It is a common occurrence in the deeds of the Christians, the Lord's Supper, in which it is drunk wine,
    and they claim that whoever drinks it is as if he drank the blood of Jesus, and by referring to the books that talk about Christianity, we find quotes about the alcohol drinker's threat to be deprived of paradise
    No drunkards, no revilers, or kidnappers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    أعطني دليلاً على ما تؤمنين به! هاشم في حوار مع امرأة مسيحية


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    Christians drink because they believe that there is nothing wrong when one drinks moderately alcoholic beverages.
    They support their claim by stating that Jesus Christ (PBUH= peace be upon him) made fermented wine at the wedding in Cana;

    Moderation in drinking wine
    Not the solution
    But
    You follow your own desires

    And violating the laws of God

    Prophet Issa never drank alcohol
    This is the invention of the anonymous Bible writers
    Christians follow Paul
    And not the teachings of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him

    Some people often do not stick to moderation

    And they become addicted to booze

    Which leads to many crimes in society

    Traffic accidents - rape - theft and murder
    Even moderate drinking can lead to serious illnesses over time

    So
    What is the purpose of your presence on the surface of the earth?

    What is the benefit of sending prophets and messengers?

    You say I'm good I did it easily
    But
    Do not lie - do not commit adultery - do not eat pork - do not drink wine - and so
    There are a lot of things do
    Taboo in religions

    You live the earth created by allah
    Therefore
    You must carry out his orders


    I can simply explain to you
    Example
    You go to work every day
    You know that there are rules and laws to work
    If those laws violated
    Will be expelled

    Do you want to lose your job?


    Such as this example of human life in this world

    Should the human commitment to the teachings of God through the prophets and messengers
    From Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them companions

    Human life can not on the ground without God's teachings

    What will he do after death?
    - You must know that you will be asked in the Hereafter for all your words and actions

    Must be prepared
    If you want happiness and salvation in this world and the Hereafter
    Through the unification of God and follow prophet, Muhammad peace be upon him, and that Isa (Jesus) Abd Allah and His Messenger

    هل تتبعون يسوع أم بولس؟ عدنان رشيد في حوار هادئ مع مسيحيين



    1/2 مسلمون يطرحون أسئلة كثيرة على محمد حجاب الجزء الأول



    2/2 مسلمون يطرحون أسئلة كثيرة على محمد حجاب الجزء الثاني


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    You can fill a stadium with Muslims and they will all have different beliefs. Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LescoBrandon View Post
    You can fill a stadium with Muslims and they will all have different beliefs. Good grief.
    Don't expect a response, @eninn is a troll on much the same level as @midcan5 all talk and run away.

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    All Muslims have one book, the Qur’an, and one sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him


    The original source is preserved in the Book of God and the Sunna of His Messenger


    they will all have one belief


    And if there are deviations from some sects, they do not harm the original source

    But they only harm themselves



    Compare this to the 20,000 changes!! in Bibles today. So many you yourself have to select specific versions.

    As one publisher (Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, Illinois) stated: “The Bible may look like one book, but it is actually sixty-six books in one. Thirty-nine books make up what we call the Old Testament, and twenty-seven make up the New Testament. It is possible that more than forty writers were used by God to write all sixty-six books.” (Quoted from the “Holy Bible” – New Living Translation, Gift & Award Edition, l997, p. vii)


    So if the Bible is neither narrated by God nor written by Him, and, as such, is not ‘the word of God,’ then what is it? By any objective criteria, the Bible is a book containing a compilation of stories, legends, folk tales, folk lore, myths, sagas, narratives,







    There are many denominations in Judaism and Christianity, and there are also denominations in Islam
    These sects differ in beliefs, different opinions , and not all of them are correct

    Only one is correct, whether from Judaism, Christianity or Islam
    As the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said


    It was narrated from ‘Awf bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said:
    “The Jews split into seventy-one sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy in Hell. The Christians split into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which will be in Hell and one in Paradise. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said:
    What I am on today
    and my companions


    Which sect will enter Heaven will believe in the one God and that Moses, jesus and Muhammad are prophets of God, peace be upon them

    true religion
    faith in what is stated in the Qur’an and Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, because he is the Seal of the Prophets

    After the distortion of the Bible, God sent the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, with the Qur’an to correct the previous books

    The words of the prophets are the law of God and guidance to people
    Delusion is not from the words of the prophets
    Delusion and deviation from people
    due to their deviation from the law of God and the directions of the prophets



    why i became a sunni muslim لماذا اصبحت سنياً








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    There are no changes in the Quran and we all know it.

    We all know the Quran today is exactly as it was revealed.


    We literally have 1400 year old Quran's to verify it, not to mention its always been an oral tradition. Millions today can recite the Quran cover to cover from MEMORY and it has always been this way.

    I frequently point out all those who hate Islam today can't find the ability to change a single letter. Look at China, a nation of a BILLION. They have went on record saying they will write there own Quran and this was how many years ago? Where is it?

    And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. (2:23 Quran)

    1400 years and many haters of Islam have lived and died. Where is their Quran? Why do we only have one Quran today?
    Why has EVERY generation failed to produce one surah


    To this day there is one Quran. In the original language that it was revealed in.



    Indeed God has claimed in the Quran kareem that He himself protects it and we see the proof of this today.







    Compare this to the 20,000 changes!! in Bibles today. So many you yourself have to select specific versions.


    May God guide you.


    Oldestversion of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube


    You will be shocked when youwatch this video

    FULL - Dr. Zakir Naik The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science vs Dr William Campbell






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    The fact is there are 40,000 Christian sects. We can fill a football stadium with Christians, every one of them can have different beliefs. Every one of them calling themselves Christian. Every one of them having Different beliefs then you.
    Can you not wrap your head around how insane this is?

    How anyone can argue the Bible is not changed today is amazing honestly. Seriously, they literally continue to change it even today!

    Consider the prophets, some who actually spoke to God, committing incest and worshiping idols.


    “’How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jeremiah 8:8)



    20,000 changes!!
    Why do you chose to live in denial? What does the Bible say about bearing false witness?
    we are at a point where Biblical scholars say the Bible is changed.




    Indeed the Bible remains but how much of it is original? I can personally guarantee God did not give the Jews permission to lend on interest.

    While whats in it that is original, how much of that is ignored? Such as 32 separate verses forbidding the consumption of pork?


    How about all those verses where Jesus says he can do nothing but still you ascribe divinity to him?
    90 Biblical verses refute your core beliefs Red. God is not the author of confusion.


    Im not surprised . Go back to 300 AD and the council of Nicea declared the prophet Jesus to be god incarnate. Shouldering right up with other pagan, 3 in 1 faiths in the vicinity.

    This was the day when the devil took the reigns.. So why would i be surprised that 1700 years later there are more then 2000 Bibles?

    Wanna hear something interesting ? Did you know Jews are allowed to pray in a masjid... But are forbidden to pray in a church?

    . Jews consider you pagan and thier prayers to the God of Abraham would not be accepted if offered in a church.

    Facinating. Isnt it? Kinda like you with your Christmas tree while the Bible calls it futile.

    People hear what they want to.

    The Bible has been changed and changed and mistranslation are 2 completely different things. Don't the 10 commandments forbid lying? Why is it that so many Christians try to deceive? Honestly it is changed even today as we live and breathe.

    The truth is you worship a man who is constantly referred to as prophet in your book. A man who literally cried to God to save him in your book. A man who literally worshiped God in your book.


    Bible Contradictions - YouTube

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    Sorry, Islam has numerous sects, lol. And you need to revisit your Christian history instead of regurgitating the Dan Brown version of it.

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    I told you before that sects are in every religion, as the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said


    And this does not matter in Islam because we have the Qur’an and the Sunna of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him



    As a basic source to which we all return as Muslims, this source is the final ruling




    Example

    in the Quran there are controls and standards

    there is a difference between an interpretation based on faith and one based on serious study.


    One of the scholars cannot criticize the words of God or criticize the words of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him

    But the interpretation of the Quran is according to what God said in the Quran and according to what the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said




    If the opinion of one of the scholars contradicts the words of God and His Messenger, his words are not taken into account


    The Quran does not depend on people's false words



    So far, no one has been able to produce anything close to the Qur'an in its beauty, style, meaning and prophecies.


    Scientific evidence makes the Qur'an the most talked about book in today's intellectual world.


    But

    The Bible teaches us corruption, lying and pornography

    Incest, infanticide, and looting

    the Quran is not like the distorted Bible written by unknown humans

    Therefore, you find criticism and analysis according to their own opinion in churches

    Therefore, this is not a problem, because it is the book of mankind and not the book of God.

    You can edit and change the meaning of verses with ease

    and don't be ashamed to say it's the book of god





    أي مسيحي ينتقد الشريعة الإسلامية أرسل له هذا الفيديو | دانيال حقيقتجو






    المسيح يرفض النصارى يوم القيامة ...! هاشم في حوار مع سيدة مسيحية - ركن المتحدثين - (هايد بارك - لندن)

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    The Quran was a bad copy of parts of the Old Testament and parts of the New Testament, written 570-600 years after the latest of the New Testament events occurred.
    And Muslims change the meaning of verses in the Quran all the time, and disagree about the meanings with one another.

    I thought lying was against the Quran?

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