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    The priest and his entire church converted to Islam

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    Bible verses that deny unconditional love



    Indeed, some among Christians believe that their "All-Love" God does not allow His Creatures to be damned for eternal hell. For these people, this punishment would be unfair because, always according to them, why punish eternally a fault which is not?
    As paradoxical as it may seem, the God-Love of Christians: The Jesus of the NT, speaks of hell many times more than in all of A.T. Let us see the verses in question:

    33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? "(Matthew 23.33)

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ”(Matthew 25,41)

    22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.”(Matthew 5,22)

    29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
    "(Matthew 5,29-30)

    All of these verses make it clear that an everlasting and painful retribution awaits unbelievers in a place where there will be gnashing of teeth and weeping. It would be better to cut off eyes, hands or feet than to have to undergo this terrible punishment intended for the ungodly.

    As we see, eternal hell is a reality in the Bible. Those who dispute this reality have only to contradict us on the matter and surely they will never succeed. The verses are explicit on the matter. Now we can ask ourselves several remarks:


    1) the NT Jesus who is a god of love speaks of eternal hell in the N.T. much more than in the A.T. (notion almost unknown by the way!)

    2) the wicked will suffer an eternal and exemplary punishment for their misdeeds

    3) how does this very particular category of Christians reconcile their conception of Love with the eternal punishment of hell?

    4) Christians are hypocrites when they tell us the "good news" of the Gospel because there is also very, very bad news in the texts for non-believers


    Prabhakaran Asks Dr Zakir, "Will Non Muslims go to Heaven or Hell?"



    Will Good Righteous Non-Muslims like Mother Teresa go to Hell? - Dr Zakir Naik


    Q&A: Why Would God Create Us to Go To Hell? | Dr. Shabir Ally




    دينكم ليس ضد العنصرية! محمد حجاب في حوار مع مسيحي


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    God only punishes the guilty in Islam and does not harm the innocent
    Muslims do not believe in blood sacrifice and they do not believe that a holy man like Jesus should die such a cruel and humiliating death. He bears the sins of mankind while he is innocent

    It is better for God to forgive without bloodshed, because He is able to do so, as in Islam, God forgives without killing an innocent person and shedding blood.
    God only punishes those who commit a sin, and does not punish the oppressed



    Logically, rationally and scientifically, sin is not inherited from the father to his son because it is one of the acquired actions that are not inherited. If your father committed a sin, do you inherit his sin as you inherit the color of his eyes. ? If the father chose to be a criminal, does this mean that his son will inherit from him this nature that is in the father? Likewise, if the father is good, it does not necessarily mean that the son will be so, because he inherited the nature of his father


    The belief the inherited sin. contradicts divine justice. This is because the just God punishes a person for what he did, not for what his father or grandparents did. The Bible says in Ezekiel 18/20-21: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

    This text indicates the responsibility of each individual for his sin and thus denies the inherited sin.

    And in Matthew 16-27: and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
    . Christ Himself decides that each person will be rewarded according to his deeds. This contradicts inherited sin and salvation by crucifixion, because the text indicates that salvation is through work and not by crucifixion

    CONCEPT OF ORIGINAL SIN IN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY dr zakir naik



    هل الإيمان يُبنى على الموقع الجغرافي؟ - حوار هادئ لعباس مع شاب محترم






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    The calendar year of Islam begins not with the birthday of our prophet (peace be on him), not from the time that the revelation came to him (Bethat) nor from the time of his ascension to heaven, but with the migration (Hijra) from an undesirable environment into a desirable place to fulfill Allah's command. It was migration from a plot that was set by the leaders of the Quraysh who were plotting to kill prophet Muhammad, and to destroy the truth that today is being conveyed to mankind everywhere against tyranny and injustice. Their purpose was to destroy the foundation of the Islamic state, the Sunnah of the tradition of the prophet, and to prevent the revelation being delivered by Allah's messenger to mankind.


    The Islamic calendar is reckoned from the time of migration (Hijra) of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) from Mecca to Madina. The Prophet's decision to migrate from Mecca came after several years of inhuman treatment of the faithful by the powerful tribes who were united despite all their feuds to stop the spread of Islam.

    Prophet Mohammad's decision to leave Mecca coincided with the infidel's plan to assassinate him. In 622 AD, the Quresh tribesmen held a meeting and decided that a band of young men, one from each tribe, should assassinate Prophet Mohammad collectively so that their responsibility for the murder could not be placed on any particular tribe.

    On the eventful night, the Prophet asked his cousin Ali Ben Abutalib to take his place in bed to make the Meccans think that he was asleep. The Prophet himself slipped out unobserved alongwith his loyal follower Abu Bakr (who was chosen as the first C aliph after the death of the prophet). They secretly made their way to a cave named Thawr, not far from Mecca and lay in hiding there for a day or two until Abu Bakr's son reported that the search for him had been given up. Then the two set out from Madina on camel back. They reached Quba, on the edge of the Madina oasis, on 12th Rabiul Awwal. With Mohammad's arrival in Quba a new phase of his career and glory of Islam started.

    This migration has a special significance in the history of Islam. It ended the Meccan period of humiliation and torture and began the era of success. His own people to whom he preached Islam for 13 years neglected the Prophet of Islam. But he was cordially received in Madina as an honored chief.

    In Madina his power enhanced day by day. Here he was not only the religious leader but took the role of a politician and statesman too. Prophet Mohammad expired ten years after his migration to Madina but only in one decade he changed the course of human history.

    In view of this special significance of the Prophet's migration the consultative body advised the Second Islamic Caliph, Omar ben Khattab, to start the Islamic year from the date of migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Madina.

    According to early Moslem scholars, Abu Musa Al Shari drew attention of Omar to an improperly dated debenture or IOU which was payable in the month of Shaban but it was not clear which Shaban was actually meant, the present one or the coming one. Omar called the dignitaries for consultation who made several suggestions to begin the Islamic calendar.

    Ali (who later became the fourth caliph) suggested the Hijra as the beginning of the Islamic year with Moharram as its first month. Consequently, Caliph Omar in 21 A.H. or 641 A.D introduced the Islamic calendar in its present form.

    QURANIC GUIDANCE

    The guidance about the Islamic calendar is taken from the following verses from the Holy Quran: (In the name of GOD most gracious and most merciful)

    "Lo the number of the months with God is twelve months." IX:36.

    "They ask thee, of new moons. Say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage." II:189.

    "He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." X:5

    The Islamic Calendar of 12 Lunar Months is determined by observation of the new moon with no effort by intercalation (addition) or other means to synchronize the Lunar year with the Solar year.

    Life Of The Final Messenger - Muhammad pbuh (Seerah) - 12 Hijrah (Migration) - Mufti Ismail Menk



    Amir Ibn Fuhayra (ra): The Guide on the Hijrah | The Firsts | Dr. Omar Suleiman




    لله أكبر!! سيدة إنجليزية تنطق بالشهادة بعد أن اكتشفت أنها مسلمة ولا تعرف







    ملحد يسأل شمسي عن الخمر في الجنة Speaker's corner



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    These testimonies, all as different from each other, do not allow us to conclude anything. Evangelists do not agree on how Christ ('aleyhi Salam) was arrested, nor on who was present at the time of the crucifixion, nor on the time of the crucifixion, nor on the inscription on the crucifix, neither on the discussion with the two thieves,

    nor on whether or not Jesus (as) tasted the wine before refusing it, nor on his last words, nor on the people who went to the sepulcher, nor on the people who were there, neither on what was said at the sepulcher, nor on the fact that the women announced or not to the disciples the return of Jesus (as), nor even on the place where the latter sees his disciples again after the crucifixion?

    Rather, we have the impression that Christians are just guessing. Besides, how were they supposed to report these facts, if they themselves had not witnessed it at all because, as the Gospels say, "And they all forsook him, and fled. »(Mark 14.50).

    To validate an event, wouldn't it be better if we found converging stories? How did the evangelists collect these testimonies? Did they make sure to report the reliable information instead of reporting the rumors that were circulating in the markets? Where are the reporters' transmission chains?

    We will unfortunately never know, although all of this evidence points to the “non-serious” collection of information. We can only conclude This discourse with the expression of Mark 14,59: "Not even in this respect was their testimony consistent


    ؟ || ?How Did Jesus (as) Pray







    الدعوة في العرين - مناقشة مع لورين الجزء الأول






    الدعوة في العرين - مناقشة مع لورين الجزء الثاني






    من قام بصلبه؟ هاشم في حوار مع مسيحي الجزء الأول




    من قام بصلبه؟ هاشم في حوار مع مسيحي الجزء الثانى


    من قام بصلبه؟ هاشم في حوار مع مسيحي الجزء الثالث

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    Ishmael or Isaac - Who Was To Be Sacrificed?

    M. Why did Isma'il (Ishmael) and his mother Hajar (Hagar) leave Sarrah?

    C. After Isaac was weaned, his mother Sarah saw Ishmael mocking him. After that, she didn't want Ishmael to be heir with her son Isaac: Genesis 21:8-10: "And the child grew, and was weaned, and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned. And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham mocking. Wherefore she said unto Abraham: 'Cast out this bondwoman and her son, for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac."'

    M. Isaac was about two years old when he was weaned. Ishmael was then sixteen years is the profile of a baby, not of a teenager. So Ishmael and his mother Hagar left Sarah long before Isaac was born. According to the Islamic version, Abraham took Ishmael and Hagar and made a new settlement in Makkah, called Paran in the Bible (Genesis 21:21), because of a divine instruction given to Abraham as a part of God's plan. Hagar ran seven times between two hills, Safa and Marwa, looking for water. This is the origin of one of the rituals that is performed during the pilgrimage to Makkah. The well of water mentioned in Genesis 21:19 is still present and is known as called Zamzam. Both Abraham and Ishmael later built the Ka'bah in Makkah. The spot where Abraham used to perform prayers near the Ka'bah is still present and is known as the Maqam Ibrahim, i.e., the Station of Abraham. During the pilgrimage, pilgrims in Makkah and Muslims all over the world commemorate the offering of Abraham and Ishmael by slaughtering cattle.

    C. But the Bible mentions that Isaac was to be sacrificed.

    M. The Islamic version states that the covenant between God, Abraham, and his only son Ishmael was made and sealed when Ishmael was supposed to be sacrificed. On the very same day, Abraham, Ishmael, and all the men of Abraham's household were circumcised. At that time, Isaac had not even born: Genesis 17:24-27: "And Abraham was ninety years old and nine when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son. And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him."

    A year later, Isaac was born and circumcised when he was eight days old: Genesis 21:4-5: "And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him. And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him." So when the covenant was made and sealed (circumcision and sacrifice) Abraham was ninety-nine and Ishmael was thirteen. Isaac was born a year later, when Abraham was one hundred years old.

    As you know, Kedar is a descendent of Ishmael (Genesis 25:13), and Ishmael is the the base for the Family Tree of Prophet Muhammad through Kedar. The followers of Ishmael, Prophet Muhammad and all Muslims, remain faithful until today to this covenant of circumcision. In their five daily prayers, Muslims include the praise of Abraham and his followers with the praise of Muhammad and his followers.

    C. But in Genesis 22 it is mentioned that Isaac was to be sacrificed.

    M. I know, but you will see the contradiction there. It is mentioned "shine only son Isaac." Shouldn't it be "shine only son Ishmael," when Ishmael was thirteen years old and Isaac had not even been born? When Isaac was born, Abraham had two sons. Because of chauvinism, the name of Ishmael was changed to Isaac in all of Genesis 22. But God has preserved the word "only" to show us what it should have been.

    The words "I will multiply thy seed" in Genesis 22:17 was applied earlier to Ishmael in Genesis 16:10. Was not the whole of Genesis 22 applicable to Ishmael then? "I will make him a great nation" has been repeated twice for Ishmael in Genesis 17:20 and Genesis 16:10: "And the angel of the Lord said unto her [Hager]: 'I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude."'

    Genesis 17:20: "And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. Twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation."

    Genesis 21:13: "And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed."

    Genesis 21:18: "Arise, lift up the lad [Ishmael], and hold him in shine hand, for I will make him a great nation."





    Prophet Ismail was a legitimate son, and so was Prophet Ishaq, a legitimate son
    God has honored the prophets. It is not permissible for a prophet to have a mistress or an adulterer
    The history of the Jews is known because they distorted the Bible

    They accused the mother of Christ, peace be upon him, of adultery and tried to kill Christ, peace be upon him

    And they tried to kill the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and of course they falsified the facts about the Prophet Ismail and his mother and made her a mistress



    Deuteronomy 21:15-17: "If a man have two wives, one beloved and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hash, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hash: for he is the beginning of the strength; the right of the firstborn is his." Islam does not deny God's blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but the son of promise is Ishmael, from whom arose Muhammad as the seal of the prophets.

    C. Can you prove that Jews changed the name of Ishmael to Isaac because of chauvinism?

    M. The Encyclopaedia Judaica says:

    It is related that a renowned traditionalist of Jewish origin, from the Qurayza tribe, and another Jewish scholar, who converted to Islam, told that Caliph Omar Ibn 'Abd al-Aziz (717-20) that the Jews were well informed that Ismail was the one who was bound, but that they concealed this out of jealousy. The Muslim legend also adds details of Hajar, the mother of Ismail. After Abraham drove her and her son out, she wandered between the hills of al-Safa and al-Marwa (in the vicinity of Mecca) in search for water. At that time the waters of the spring Zemzem began to flow. Her acts became the basis for the hallowed custom of Muslims during the Hajj.

    Encyclopaedia Judaica, Volume 9, Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, pp. 82 (Under 'Ishmael').

    The testimony of the former Jew as mentioned hadith literature as quoted in the Encyclopaedia Judaica reads:

    Another proof of our speech [i.e., that sacrificed was Ishmael (P)] is reported by Ibn Ishaaq: "Muhammad Ibn Ka'b narrated that 'Umar Ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz sent for a man who had been a Jew then converted to Islam and showed signs of true Islam. [Before his conversion], he was one of their scholars [i.e., he was a Jewish scholar] So he [i.e., 'Umar] asked him: which son did Abraham (P) sacrifice? He replied: 'It is Ishmael(P). By God, O Commander of the Believers, the Jews know that but they envy you - the Arabs.'



    C. But Ishmael was an illegitimate son.

    M. That is what you say, but not what the Bible states. How could such a great prophet as Abraham have an illegal wife and a son out of wedlock!

    Genesis 16:3: "... and [Sarah] gave her [Hager] to her husband Abram to be his wife." If the marriage was legal, how could their offspring be illegal? Is a marriage between two foreigners, a Chaldean and an Egyptian, not more legal than a marriage between a man with a daughter of his father? Whether it was a lie of Abraham or not, it is stated in Genesis 20:12: "And yet indeed she [Sarah] is my sister, she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

    The name Ishmael was also chosen by Allah Himself: Genesis 16:11: "And the Angel of the Lord said unto her [Hager]: 'Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael, because the Lord hath heard thy affliction."' Ishmael means "God hears." Where in the Bible is it written that Ishmael was an illegitimate son?

    C. Nowhere.

    M. Long before both Ishmael and Isaac were born, Allah made a covenant with Abraham:

    Genesis 15:18: "... saying Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the Euphrates." Doesn't the greater part of Arabia lie between the Nile and the Euphrates, where all the descendants of Ishmael settled at a later date?

    Do you see also the difference that Abraham was called "a stranger" in Canaan but not in the land between the Nile and the Euphrates? As a Chaldean, he was more Arab than Jew.

    That covenant was made with Abraham and Ishmael:

    Genesis 17:10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

    Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
    Taken from: http://islamicweb.com/sacrifice.htm


    Q&A: Ishmael or Isaac - Who Was To Be Sacrificed? | Dr. Shabir Ally



    How can prove Ismail (Pub) is Sacrificed Not Ishaaq (Pub) . Answered By Dr. Zakir Naik.flv



    المسلمون يفوتهم الكثير من المتعة - حوار حمزة مع زائر لديه فضول للتعرف على الإسلام




    من هم الغير مؤمنين؟

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    When one reads the passages where Isma'il (= Ishmael, peace be upon him) is mentioned, one will see quite obvious indications of corruption:

    The reason is also obvious: The Jewish elite were racists (that's obvious from a lot of passages in the Bible itself) and thought that Prophethood could only apply to themselves and tried to extinguish any passages, which establish Prophethood for other than them.

    - An example would be that in Genesis 16 an angel appears to Hagar and gives her the glad tidings that she will have a son with the name Ishmael and then ends up telling her that he will be a wild donkey of a man, which does not make any sense in the context of the glad tidings given to her.
    The stranger thing is that if one just changes the vowels in Hebrew (such that the written word remains the very same word!), then the meaning becomes completely in-line with the context and that is being fruitful. What is even stranger is that this is the very reading found in the Samaritan Torah!


    - Another example is that in Genesis 21 it's claimed that Ishmael (peace be upon him) - who must have been a youngster at that time - was mocking Isaac (peace be upon him) - who was a little child - and that's why Sarah asked Abraham (peace be upon him) to send Ishmael and his mother away [to the desert].
    Now the really strange thing is that when it's described how Hagar and her son are in the desert, every single description connected to Ishmael (peace be upon him) indicates him to be a LITTLE CHILD and NOT a youngster in any way or form as the Jewish racists who played around with these passages like us make to believe.

    This is very important, because it means that significant changes have been made to these passages in order to justify the belief that only the children of Isaac (peace be upon him) were blessed and part of the eternal covenant of God.


    - What is even stranger is that according to the same Bible the lineage of Ishmael (peace be upon him) is also blessed (see Genesis 17) and that they will be a great nation (and this passage indicates towards Prophethood being amongst them!), but the racist Jews could not hold themselves back from diminishing the rank of Ishmael even in this context and acted as if the covenant only applies to their branch.
    To their dismay the gematria - which is a tool that these Jews use for understanding these texts, because they themselves have invented this tool in order to hide specific things from other people - of this passage even contains the very number of the name our noble Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

    These issues are nowhere simple coincidence, rather they indicate towards corruption at the hands of the Jews.




    { And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with words [i.e., commands] and he fulfilled them. [Allāh] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [Allāh] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." }

    [English interpretation of the Aya 2:124 of the noble Qur`an]

    So while in the Bible precedence is given to people simply based upon their race, the Qur`an gives precedence based upon righteousness.
    It should be obvious what is important in the sight of God.


    And by the way: Does God BLESSING Ishmael (peace be upon him) and making him a great nation mean that he and his offspring will be a bunch of pagans and disbelievers?! Please use a little bit common sense.


    As for Paran, then it's the place where Ishmael (peace be upon him) and his offspring lived and this according to the Bible itself.


    حمزة يحرج زائر أمام زوجته ويفضح كذبة حرية التعبير عند الغرب





    بوذي يتناسى ما يحدث للمسلمين الروهينجا من قبل البوذيين ويسأل منصور: أين الحب والسلام عند المسلمين؟





    هاشم ينسف عقيدة مسيحيين | إله لكنه ليس إلهاً




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