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    Jesus (pbuh) is not God but a Messenger of God - Dr Zakir Naik



    هاشم ينسف عقيدة مسيحيين | إله لكنه ليس إلهاً


    فتاة عمرها 14 انجليزية أسلمت من قبل والحين 17 - قمة جديدة - شمسي

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    Prophet Muḥammad's personality was very simple, compassionate and loving towards others. This human aspect did not stem from his abstract human personality, but rather from the fact that he was a human being chosen by Allah to bear the responsibility of prophethood. Allah therefore purified him, taught him and sent him as a mercy to the world.


    However, the human aspect of the Prophet – blessings and peace be upon him – is clearly observable in the various situations of his life. We find it in his behavior towards his family members. It has never been reported in Islamic traditions that he was violent towards his family. On the contrary, he devoted part of his time to the service of his family, helping them with the various domestic tasks. In addition, he allowed them to attend Fridays and feasts, and he even held running competitions with them.



    The Messenger of Allah loved servants and workers, and treated them well. He recommended to his companions, and to Muslims in general, that they be benevolent towards servants and slaves.


    The human aspect of the Prophet was not limited to his entourage, he behaved in the same way with his enemies and on the battlefields.


    During his greatest victory, when the Prophet retook Makkah and his Quraysh enemies were defeated and surrendered to him, he entered it humbly, with his head bowed, without vengeance or bloodshed. He granted complete forgiveness to his enemies simply and unconditionally surrendering. Moreover, in his battles, the Prophet advised Muslims not to kill children, women and old people, in this connection, he recommended them thus: "Do not kill an old man, a young child or a woman ".



    The tenderness of the Prophet was not limited to humans, but also extended to include animals who are unable to express their pain and needs. He urged his companions to be kind to animals, telling them the story of the man who took pity on a thirsty dog and presented it with water. So Allah forgave him and admitted him to paradise.



    A careful examination of the life of the Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - shows us that he suffered persecution and injustice in Mecca; however, he was not swayed by the cruelty he experienced, and he had no unbridled desire to seek revenge on those who wronged him.



    Such is the personality of the Prophet peace be upon him – the human being who changed the face of the world, a simple, merciful and great personality.



    شاب يعتنق الإسلام بعدما اقتنع بحجج محمد علي

    شاب بريطاني يعتنق الإسلام بعدما اقتنع بحجج شمسي

    Last edited by eninn; 01-03-2023 at 06:24 AM.

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    it is impossible to omit or forget the violent events that are fully part of the gospel.
    Was it not Jesus himself who announced in parables the urgency of a choice which is radical and therefore violent, as in the text of the homicidal winegrowers where they kill the son of the owner to steal the inheritance? after molesting the servants he had sent to his vineyard.


    reading the New Testament confronts any reader with an open violence that culminates in the arrest of Jesus, the mockery of his iniquitous trial, his torture on Golgotha and his death. We can clearly see why Jesus aroused so many hostile reactions.

    "I did not come to bring peace, but the sword" (Mt 10,34). You clearly see in the Jesus of the Bible this awareness of putting in crisis by his words and his actions the usual ways of relating to the Law, to the religious institutions of the time, and ultimately to the tradition of the fathers. To remember the violence of the New Testament is to step into a dangerous tradition and bring it to life that endangers the lives of millions of Jews.

    Do you believe that I have come to bring peace to this world? No. I did not come to bring peace, but the dagger. I have come to separate the son and the father, the daughter and the mother, the daughter-in-law and the mother-in-law. Who loves his father and mother more than me is not


    worthy of me. Whoever loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And who does not follow in my footsteps, loaded with his cross, is not worthy of me either. Whoever wants to save his life will lose it. And whoever lost his life because of me will find it. (Mt 10,34-36) .. What more do you want ..




    in all Muslim countries anyone who follows the events and the analysis of specialists knows that in these countries foreign forces are involved; Iraq it was an American lie it was they who started the war and it turned out that the reason put forward was a pure lie

    Lebanon is under several countries influencing in particular France ... Russia for Syria ... all
    and the weapons used are now known to have origins in non-Muslim countries
    why don't they leave these countries alone? they say it is to defend the citizens but what is the result? it can be seen that these are lies and that the goal is economic or strategic interests .. or against Islam quite simply not to let Islamic governments settle in

    foreign countries which have nothing to do with these countries except that they have interests and this under false reasons;

    Europe has gone through bloody wars and has come to understand that unity is strength; Muslim countries are going through stages for a metamorphosis but foreign forces do not let this process go through they are afraid



    أحمد ديدات --- الحدود وأشياء أخرى طريفة من الكتاب المقدس

    إختلاف الألسُن واللُغات بين الآيات واللعنات -- من روائع الشيخ ديدات رحمه الله

    أحمد ديدات - إثبات تحريف الكتاب المقدس

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    زائر محترم يسأل منصور: هل ادعى محمداً النبوة لأجل الشهرة والسلطة؟




    هل ستؤمنون بالدجال إن فعل نفس الشيء؟ | هاشم في حوار مع مسيحيين







    مسلم يفاجئ مسيحيين من كتابهم المقدس ج 1 | شمسي






    مسلم يفاجئ مسيحيين من كتابهم المقدس ج 2 | شمسي






    مسلم يفاجئ مسيحيين من كتابهم المقدس ج 3 | شمسي







    لماذا اعتنق ثلاثة مسيحيين كوريين الإسلام؟


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    It's rather obvious you have no stomach to debate @eninn

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    Quote Originally Posted by eninn View Post
    Jesus (pbuh) is not God but a Messenger of God - Dr Zakir Naik



    هاشم ينسف عقيدة مسيحيين | إله لكنه ليس إلهاً


    فتاة عمرها 14 انجليزية أسلمت من قبل والحين 17 - قمة جديدة - شمسي
    Your "prophet" Muhammad was basically illiterate, which is why his analysis of the Bible was so far off base. Muslims actually believe Mary is a part of the Christian Trinity. Even a casual reading of the Bible shows this to be absurd. So, if this supposedly learned "prophet" can't even get something so simple right, why would anyone trust anything else he had to say?
    God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by eninn View Post
    Prophet Muḥammad's personality was very simple, compassionate and loving towards others. This human aspect did not stem from his abstract human personality, but rather from the fact that he was a human being chosen by Allah to bear the responsibility of prophethood. Allah therefore purified him, taught him and sent him as a mercy to the world.


    However, the human aspect of the Prophet – blessings and peace be upon him – is clearly observable in the various situations of his life. We find it in his behavior towards his family members. It has never been reported in Islamic traditions that he was violent towards his family. On the contrary, he devoted part of his time to the service of his family, helping them with the various domestic tasks. In addition, he allowed them to attend Fridays and feasts, and he even held running competitions with them.



    The Messenger of Allah loved servants and workers, and treated them well. He recommended to his companions, and to Muslims in general, that they be benevolent towards servants and slaves.


    The human aspect of the Prophet was not limited to his entourage, he behaved in the same way with his enemies and on the battlefields.


    During his greatest victory, when the Prophet retook Makkah and his Quraysh enemies were defeated and surrendered to him, he entered it humbly, with his head bowed, without vengeance or bloodshed. He granted complete forgiveness to his enemies simply and unconditionally surrendering. Moreover, in his battles, the Prophet advised Muslims not to kill children, women and old people, in this connection, he recommended them thus: "Do not kill an old man, a young child or a woman ".



    The tenderness of the Prophet was not limited to humans, but also extended to include animals who are unable to express their pain and needs. He urged his companions to be kind to animals, telling them the story of the man who took pity on a thirsty dog and presented it with water. So Allah forgave him and admitted him to paradise.



    A careful examination of the life of the Prophet - blessings and peace be upon him - shows us that he suffered persecution and injustice in Mecca; however, he was not swayed by the cruelty he experienced, and he had no unbridled desire to seek revenge on those who wronged him.



    Such is the personality of the Prophet peace be upon him – the human being who changed the face of the world, a simple, merciful and great personality.



    شاب يعتنق الإسلام بعدما اقتنع بحجج محمد علي

    شاب بريطاني يعتنق الإسلام بعدما اقتنع بحجج شمسي

    Is this satire? Muhammad was peaceful? Surely you can't be serious. You realize his writings exist, right (at least the writings the illiterate dictated to others)?
    God Bless America

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    Muslims do not believe that Mary is part of the Trinity. This is just your imagination

    There is no trinity in Islam

    Mary, otherwise known as Maryam to Muslims, is highly revered in the Christian faith for being the Mother of Jesus. However, not many are aware of her high and noble standing in Islam. Her elevated status is in fact explicitly mentioned in the Quran and also described in the authentic narrations of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. The Messenger had in fact listed her as one of the four greatest women of all time who had reached perfection.

    We have compiled a short list of six important facts about Mary mentioned in the Quran for all to benefit.

    1. She gave birth to Jesus despite being a virgin.

    She said, “How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?” He said, “Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me…”
    Quran 19:20-21

    2. She was chosen by Allah above all women.

    When the angels said, “O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.
    Quran 3:42

    3. She was falsely accused of infidelity.

    She brought him (Jesus) to her people, carrying him. They said, “O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.”
    Quran 19:27-28

    4. An entire Chapter is named after her in the Quran.

    Her name is the centre-point of the 19th Chapter of the Quran, ‘Surat Maryam’.

    In fact, Mary is the only woman referred by her first name in the Quran. This is an honourable status granted by the Quran only to few, mostly to the Prophets, Messengers and Angels.

    5. She experienced many miracles.

    Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, “O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?” She said, “It is from Allah . Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account.”
    Quran 3:37

    In the interpretation of this verse, scholars say that every time Zachariah would visit her, he would miraculously find her with the fruits of summer during winter and the fruits of winter during summer.

    6. She was incredibly chaste, pious and modest.

    And Mary, the daughter of ‘Imran, who guarded her chastity… she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.
    Quran 66:12

    What the Quran tells us about Mariam (AS)

    The Quran actually sheds light on the story of Maryam prior to her birth, whereby we learn of her mother’s supplication for a righteous child.

    “But when she delivered her, she said, “My Lord, I have delivered a female.” And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, “And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah ].”
    (Quran 3:36)

    And surely Maryam lived on to dedicate her life to worshipping Allah. Her immense piety is in fact reiterated in the Quran on multiple occasions.

    “So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, “O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?” She said, “It is from Allah. Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account.”
    (Quran 3:37)

    “And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of ‘Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.
    (Quran 66:12)

    Despite all the hardships she faced from people accusing her chastity she remained steadfast and obeyed Allah with unceasing faith.

    These are just a sample of some of the important qualities and features of Mary the mother of Jesus as found in the Quran. We hope that all people can benefit from this knowledge and also follow in her noble footsteps.


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    Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible
    Muhammad (SAW) is prophesied in the books of Isaiah:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah, chapter 29 verse 12:

    “And the book is given to him who cannot read, saying: Read this, I pray you, and he said: I cannot read. "

    When Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad (peace_be_upon_him) saying Iqra - “Read”, he replied, “I cannot read


    Almighty Allah chose Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) even though he had grown up as an orphan and was totally illiterate. All good qualities and virtues reached ultimate perfection and were firmly established in him, which no one else can attain except the prophets whom Allah has protected

    and guided. This combination of perfect qualities is one of the greatest proofs of the truth of his Prophethood (peace and blessings be upon him). He acquired his knowledge direct from Allah. He was not taught by any human being, but he was the “City of Knowledge”.

    The scientific miracles of the Prophet, supported by modern science, are sufficient to prove his prophethood



    Constante Vergil Giorgio in his book entitled: "Muhammad - a Prophet to Be Acquainted with Afresh" remarks: "Although he was unschooled, the early verses sent down to him spoke of the pen and knowledge; namely of writing, putting into writing, learning, and of teaching. In no other major religion has knowledge been so extensively appreciated, and no other religion can be found in which such an importance has been attached to knowledge, at its initial stage of development. Had Muhammad been a scholar, no surprise would be caused at the verses having been sent down into the Ghar Hira' (Hira' Cave), since a scholar appreciates knowledge, but the Prophet was neither schooled nor tutored. I congratulate the Muslims on their religion having so dearly regarded, at its inception, the acquisition of knowledge".

    No historian, Muslim or non-Muslim, can be found who would claim that the Prophet (SA) had been taught to read or write by anyone in his childhood or youth, let alone during his old age, which was the time of his mission. No one has ever either indicated an instance of the Prophet (SA) having read or written a line.

    Unless you believe that Prophet Muhammad had a time machine that goes back and forward in time, was a mathematical super genius, a poetic super genius, a military super genius, a psychological super genius, an expert on religions and languages, while being illiterate at the same time, then that proposition is illogical. القرآن يذهل العالم ويكشف 10 أسرار تاريخية عن الفراعنة ومصر القديمة لم تُكتشف إلا حديثاً





    كيف عرف النبي ذلك؟! - حدث تاريخي مفصل يذكره القرآن بدقة ويفشل الكتاب المقدس في ذكره


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    The pope himself threw in a word of caution. As a serious and renowned theologian, he could not afford to falsify written texts. Therefore, he admitted that the Quran specifically forbade the spreading of the faith by force. He quoted the second Sura, verse 256 (strangely fallible, for a pope, he meant verse 257) which says:
    “There must be no coercion in matters of faith.”


    How can one ignore such an unequivocal statement? The Pope simply argues that this commandment was laid down by the prophet when he was at the beginning of his career, still weak and powerless, but that later on he ordered the use of the sword in the service of the faith. Such an order does not exist in the Quran. True, Muhammad called for the use of the sword in his war against opposing tribes - Christian, Jewish and others - in Arabia, when he was building his state. But that was a political act, not a religious one; basically a fight for territory, not for the spreading of the faith.


    Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” The treatment of other religions by Islam must be judged by a simple test: How did the Muslim rulers behave for more than a thousand years, when they had the power to “spread the faith by the sword”?
    Well, they just did not.
    For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian.


    True, the Albanians did convert to Islam, and so did the Bosniaks. But nobody argues that they did this under duress. They adopted Islam in order to become favorites of the government and enjoy the fruits.
    In 1099, the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and massacred its Muslim and Jewish inhabitants indiscriminately, in the name of the gentle Jesus. At that time, 400 years into the occupation of Palestine by the Muslims, Christians were still the majority in the country. Throughout this long period, no effort was made to impose Islam on them. Only after the expulsion of the Crusaders from the country, did the majority of the inhabitants start to adopt the Arabic language and the Muslim faith - and they were the forefathers of most of today’s Palestinians.


    There is no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the “spreading of the faith by the sword”?


    What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi (“Spanish”) Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.


    Why? Because Islam expressly prohibited any persecution of the “peoples of the book”[1]. In Islamic society, a special place was reserved for Jews and Christians. They did not enjoy completely equal rights, but almost. They had to pay a special poll-tax, but were exempted from military service - a trade-off that was quite welcome to many Jews. It has been said that Muslim rulers frowned upon any attempt to convert Jews to Islam even by gentle persuasion - because it entailed the loss of taxes[2].


    Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times “by the sword” to get them to abandon their faith.
    The story about “spreading the faith by the sword” is an evil legend, one of the myths that grew up in Europe during the great wars against the Muslims - the reconquista of Spain by the Christians, the Crusades and the repulsion of the Turks, who almost conquered Vienna. I suspect that the German Pope, too, honestly believes in these fables. That means that the leader of the Catholic world, who is a Christian theologian in his own right, did not make the effort to study the history of other religions.


    Why did he utter these words in public? And why now?
    There is no escape from viewing them against the background of the new Crusade of Bush and his evangelist supporters, with his slogans of “Islamofascism” and the “Global War on Terrorism” - when “terrorism” has become a synonym for Muslims. For Bush’s handlers, this is a cynical attempt to justify the domination of the world’s oil resources. Not for the first time in history, a religious robe is spread to cover the nakedness of economic interests; not for the first time, a robbers’ expedition becomes a Crusade.
    The speech of the Pope blends into this effort. Who can foretell the dire consequences?[3]

    Listen to these wise people who are not Muslim, writers, literati and historians, and see what they say:

    .Thomas Carlyle said in his book: On Heroes and Hero-Worship:

    Accusing him – i.e., Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) – of relying on the sword in order to force people to respond to his call is nonsense beyond comprehension, because it is inconceivable that a man would wield his sword to kill people unless they responded to his call. If people who were able to fight their opponents believed in him, then they must have believed willingly and sincerely.



    أحمد ديدات يصعق أنيس شورروش بخصوص انتشار الاسلام بحد السيف مترجم
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52OpmjfA1wM

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    Christians very often criticize Jihad in Islam and do not understand, or pretend not to understand, that war may become inevitable in certain situations, and even necessary. Yet it suffices to look at history to realize that war has always been part of the lot of human beings.

    A religion that has no law governing war cannot be a religion of love for the simple reason that in conflict situations its followers risk overindulging. The History of Christianity is a fine example of this case. Indeed, having no law governing war, Christianity was guilty of the Crusades, Colonization, Slavery, Inquisition, exterminations of American Indians and Australian Aborigines. , the apartheid situation in
    South Africa, etc. Would a religion of love, as argued by Christian polemicists, give so much rotten fruit?

    These polemicists absolutely do not understand the notion of abandoning oneself to fight in the way of God and to protect the weak as the Holy Quran says:







    And what is it with you? You do not fight in the cause of Allah and for oppressed men, women, and children who cry out, “Our Lord! Deliver us from this land of oppressors! Appoint for us a saviour; appoint for us a helper—all by Your grace.”

    Holy Quran, Sura an-Nisā (Women) 4, 75

    It is therefore from the perspective of fighting for God and for the cause of the weak that Islam conceives of war. It is with realism that we read in the book of Islamic jurisprudence, Fiqh As-Sunna:

    War is an ineluctable social phenomenon which touches all Nations and all times, or nearly so; the earlier revealed Laws recognize this fact: we find in the Torah which the Jews meditate on the legal recognition of the concept of war in its most abrupt form. As for international law, it defines the situations in which war becomes legitimate, codifying for it laws and customs that mitigate its effects, in addition to the fact that these laws have never been applied. "

    Source: Sayyid Sabiq, Fiqh As-Sunna, ENNOUR editions, Volume 3, p.25

    If Islam governed the war, it was quite simply to limit its misdeeds. Would we be foolish enough to decry the Geneva Conventions and claim that they legitimize war? Clearly not. In Islam, God does not like war and even Christian historian Karen Armstrong understood this when she said:

    [...] The word Islam comes from the same Arabic root as the word peace and the Koran condemns war as an abnormal event contrary to the will of God: "Whenever they kindle the fire of war, Allah puts it out. And they strive to spread corruption in the land. And Allah does not like corruptors. " (The Quran, sura al-Ma'ida, verse 64)

    Islam does not justify aggressive war or extermination, as the Torah does in the first five books of the Bible. A more realistic religion than Christianity, Islam declares that war is inevitable and sometimes a positive obligation to end oppression and suffering. The Qur'an teaches that war should be limited and conducted in the most humane way possible. Mohammed had to fight not only the inhabitants of Mecca but also the Jewish tribes in the region and the Christian tribes in
    Syria who allied with the Jews were planning an attack against him. Yet this did not make Mohammed denounce the people of the book.

    We will conclude this short study with the glorification of the warriors by the sanctified champion of Christians, Paul of Tarsus, who affirms in the book attributed to him (Hebrews 11: 32-34): " And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.



    It is therefore by Faith, and for the fulfillment of the divine promises, that these prophets-mujahedin accomplished all these exploits and destroyed their enemies, although they often committed barbarities, and killed the infants who do not 'had not made any mistakes (which is forbidden in Islam by the way).



    Christians should spend more time in front of their Bibles and studying it instead of following preconceptions that ultimately backfire


    أحمد ديدات - أبناء الرب وأبناء إبليس فى الكتاب المقدس - هام



    الإغتصاب المقدّس --- Holy rape



    الجنة ثلاث درجات! منصور وحمزة في حوار مع مورموني




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