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    We have enough documents and fragments to know that the New Testament and Old Testament we have today are what they initially wrote, within a small, irrelevant margin of error.

    We don't know about the Quran, though. Since, as you admit, it was dictated by someone who couldn't even read or write.

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    As per the Bible
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    When one tries to humanize spiritual things the entire perspective is often lost.


    I find it a glaring weakness among many Christians that they often take the Bible literally even though it was largely written in a figurative manner via the use of metaphors
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    As I said earlier
    There is no reliable evidence for the Bible, whether the Old Testament or the New Testament
    Even the manuscripts are of questionable authenticity




    None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period. The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.



    Then there is a fact that many of those affiliated with Christ, peace be upon him, overlook, which is that the Christian beliefs inspired by the New Testament meet radically with the old pagan beliefs.

    The Trinity, the Incarnation, eternal sin, atonement with salvation, crucifixion, and redemption, the Nicene Creed, the Lord’s Supper (Holy Supper) and baptisms, and ecclesiastical sacraments...

    Christians agree with the pagan nations in the history of celebrating the birth of Christ, peace be upon him.

    Dani Vera said: “The worship of the cross is of pagan origin, as they used the cross in magic before Christianity, and these ideas impressed the pagan emperors to support the worshipers of the Trinity.”

    God sent the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to correct the previous books and to worship the one God (the Father) only, and that Jesus is the prophet of God, and this is his true nature like the rest of the prophets

    DVD 187 Deedat proves the bible is not the word of God

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    Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible
    Muhammad (SAW) is prophesied in the books of Isaiah:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah, chapter 29 verse 12:

    “And the book is given to him who cannot read, saying: Read this, I pray you, and he said: I cannot read. "

    When Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad (peace_be_upon_him) saying Iqra - “Read”, he replied, “I cannot read




    Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. , Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

    “During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator.




    After all examples we have seen about the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran

    • Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?

    • Could this Quran have been authored by Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, or by any other human being?

    The only possible answer is that this Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.


    100 Proof Quran Is The Word Of God (Zakir Naik)

    القرآن الكريم والعلم الحديث كاملة The Quran and Modern Science full Zakir naik youtube



    Our Prophet had two kinds of miracles. One of them is the ones seen on him and the other is the ones he showed on the universe. Some examples to the second kind are his dividing the moon into two, water flowing out of his fingers like a tap and making a lot of people full out of very little food. The brightest one of the first kind of miracles is his illiteracy, not being able to read and write. (at-Tafsiru’l-Kabir, 15:29.)

    Our Prophet did not take lessons from any scholars; he did not read any books; he did not learn anything from a circle of knowledge; he did not write even one word. Although the Prophet was illiterate, he had knowledge about all kinds of sciences; there was nothing that he did not know. It was his Lord who taught him everything. Nobody claimed something like, “I taught him such an issue” after he started to tell people about Islam.



    Our Prophet could not read a book or writing but he could read the Quran by heart in a very nice way. Jibril (Gabriel) taught him to read the Quran. The following is stated regarding the issue in the Quran: “By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget” (al-Ala, 6).

    Elmalılı Hamdi Yazır makes the following explanation regarding the issue: "In all of those three senses, ummi is a person that has not tried to learn to read and write. When the word ummi is used for an ordinary person, it expresses a negative meaning; however, if an ummi person has more knowledge than literate people, if he is equipped with divine knowledge by Allah without trying to learn something, it expresses the loftiness of the nature of the Prophet. Loftiness and perfection in science, illiteracy of a prophet that surpasses literate people is an extraordinary quality leaving no doubt that he was sent by Allah; that is, it is a miracle on its own. Therefore, that he is mentioned as an illiterate prophet is more eloquent than being mentioned as a prophet whose prophethood is obvious and who has miracles.





    It is accepted by all scholars that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) could not read and write. As a matter of fact, it is expressed clearly in the following verse: " And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came) nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted. (al-Ankabut, 48).

    It is known that Hazrat Prophet (pbuh) belongs to a community, in which illiteracy was common. It is a historical fact that the Prophet himself was illiterate, that is, he could not read and write. However, there are various kinds of information about many branches of science, scientific principles, results, references and signs in the Quran. If we take into consideration only the information regarding the religions of Judaism and Christianity and their holy books, we will see that they form a great amount of knowledge. To deal with those issues, to express one’s view regarding controversial subjects, to make decisions about them are things that even scholars cannot dare to do.

    Then, a reference is necessary for the information in the Quran. It is definite that Hazrat Muhammad, who spent forty years of his life before prophethood among his fellow citizens, did not go to school, meet any teachers and could not write. The Quran addressed the people who opposed him with that verse but none of his enemies dared to claim that he could write. Then, it is definite that the Quran was sent down by Allah, who knows everything.

    There are many wisdoms behind the fact that our Prophet was illiterate. If the Prophet had been able to read and write, the Qurayshis would have said, “He read the previous books and learned from them; he wrote the Quran based on the knowledge in them. The following verse express the issue as follows: “And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came) nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.” (al-Ankabut, 48.)

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    As I said before, spirituality is not enough to understand the Bible

    And the words of the Prophet Isa, peace be upon him

    Because in your book there are verses that contradict each other
    And change, scrape and delete

    This can never be the book of God

    Christ cannot command wine, usury, gambling, fornication, swine, incest, and the fornication of the prophets.

    the Qur’an is the dominant and dominant over the previous books to correct them


    The Qur’an is not the same as the Bible There is no comparison at all
    The Qur’an has no problems, but accusations, falsehoods and suspicions without real and impartial scientific study

    Hinduism is considered a polytheistic religion, as it recognizes the existence of about 330 million gods, but there is only one god above these gods, which is the Brahma

    Christianity worships the Prophet Jesus Christ as God or the Son of God, and He is the Savior of humanity from its tragedies and pains, and that He bears their sins for them.

    The Jews worship God, but with attributes that are not worthy of God’s greatness, and they say that Uzair is the son of God.

    They are all spiritual and do not care about their books, so do we know who is the true God or the true religion through them?



    There must be correct scientific and historical evidence for religious books, then spirituality comes on a disciplined basis after knowing the true God

    It is not just an illusory spirituality that depends on the whims and desires of humans, and everyone does what they like and worships what they like

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    I already outlined a problem - one of many - with the Quran. Because Muhammad didn't know history very well, either.

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    There are suspicions and false fabrications from the ignorant enemies of Islam about the Prophet Muhammad and other prophets, the Internet is full of them

    I always say that the true life of the Prophet should be studied from reliable sources in specialized Islamic centers

    The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

    God told him about the past, present and future, so he does not make mistakes in history, science or anything else, and the scholars confirmed the validity of the words of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him

    Because the words of the Prophet Muhammad are inspired by God


    God says in the Qur'an
    (3) Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
    (4) It is not but a revelation revealed,



    Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:

    “The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”


    Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, in some of his books. He has also presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences.


    What does Prof. Keith Moore say about the Qur'an in his book ''The Developing Human''? - Dr Zakir


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    Allah the name of God

    actually Allah is the name itself of The Most Supreme Creator, the Lord of the worlds which is also uniquely synonymous too since with this word Allah by all semetic religions (see video below for proofs) was referred only to the Creator of the worlds which did not need much explanation even to the pagan Arabs because they have been using right from the days of Prophet Ishmael, the son of Prophet Abraham who built the kaaba from 5000 years ago

    As seen in this verse of Quran 29:61 which is addressed to the idolators and pagans of Arabia

    “If you asked them, "Who created the heavens and earth and subjected the sun and the moon?" they would surely say, " Allah ." Then how are they deluded?”

    So this proves Allah was also synonymous but only to the Supreme power and not to other gods as they had many gods whom the pagans worshipped. The Quran sura 112 introduced Allah again to the pagans in the right precise sense since they had started to forget the pure nature of Allah that was taught to them by Prophet Abraham though they were using the name of Allah even before the coming of Quran since Prophets Muhammad ﷺ's father name was Abdullah or Servant of Allah. Another incident that substantiates this claim is when the incident of the year of the elephant took place the pagans stopped to worship all idols for about 7 years only worshipping Allah, the Lord of the Kaaba.


    The name Abdullah means submission and servitude to allah alone


    So that's why when some translate the Allah as God during shahada or testimony to embrace Islam they read as

    “there is no God but Allah and Muhammad PBUH is Messenger of Allah “


    And this verse from 17:110 also reiterates the same, note that Allah calls himself as Allah and not just ilah in this verse

    “Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite [too] loudly in your prayer or [too] quietly but seek between that an [intermediate] way.”

    since the pagans did have many gods who they thought as powerful to save them help them but they also worshiped Allah whom they believed as the Ultimate Creator of the world. But still rebellious or idiotic enough to associate daughters to Allah whom they thought as Angels and partners to Allah the bogus statues of dead Saints. Since the word God in English can be misused to refer multiple gods or masculine or feminine ie Goddess etc Muslims call Allah to show that they mean the God of the pure Monotheist Prophet Abraham since the word Allah cannot be used in multiple sense nor refers any gender.



    Elohim El, Elah, Alah
    In the Bible, God is very often referred to as ‘Elohim’ in the Hebrew language. The ‘im’ in the ending is a plural of honour and God is referred to as ‘El’ or ‘Elah’ in the English Bible with commentary, edited by reverend C. I. Scofield. ‘Elah’ is alternatively spelled as ‘Alah’. The difference in spelling is only of a single ‘L’. Muslims spell Allah as ‘Allah’ while the Reverend has spelled it as Alah and they pronounce it as ‘Elah’. Muslims pronounce it as Allah. Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages therefore we say it should be pronounced as ‘Allah’ and not as ‘Elah’.

    The video will show how Allah was used by all semetic religions.
    Ahmed Deedat Answer - Where was the word 'ALLAH' lost by Jews and Christians?


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