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    The New Women's Movement

    So if ya ain't been paying attention lately, there's a new feminist movement out there that's starting to exceed the scale of the commercially-acceptable liberal one everybody knows about. It's composed of so-called "high-value dating" women, femcels, WGTOWs, this whole scene.

    For the sake of convenience, I'll refer to these scenes collectively by a term they often call themselves: based, by which is meant like "based in facts". Based feminism instead of woke feminism. The unifying thread behind it all is that this is internet-born feminism rather than campus-born feminism, and it, in terms of theory/mentality, revolves around fusing aspects of evolutionary psychology (something fashionable on the political right) with aspects of radical feminist thinking and terminology, resulting in a new and unique thing.

    I wanted to highlight it briefly this evening because, frankly, to me at least, this is a genuinely positive development and a hopeful sign for the overall direction of the women's movement, which, as people here doubtless know by now, is something I'm deeply invested in and passionate about.

    Most "based" feminism derives from the "high-value dating" scene, and more specifically from the now-defunct Female Dating Strategy subreddit that's currently being moved off of Reddit and onto an autonomous site. The basic philosophy of FDS is that the sexual revolution of the 1960s and the casual hook-up culture it's given rise to has made women miserable. Which, incidentally, is a fact. Practitioners oppose sex before commitment, pornography consumption, and any sexual practice containing "even a whiff of abuse" such as the fashionable polyamory, bondage, and sadomasochism trends, and encourage women to take all the time they need to assess prospective partners before committing to them. To these ends, the response we've seen to FDS from the liberal press has generally been hostile, often accusing practitioners of being both too square and too radical in the same breath. Hit pieces can be found in spaces ranging from Jezebel (the biggest libfem blog and an offshoot of the old Gawker site) to the Verge and far beyond. Despite their best efforts to besmirch it though, FDS has proven enormously popular with today's college-age young adults, whom have been dubbed Generation Z.

    FDS has proven to be a gateway (intentionally or otherwise) to a whole range of yet bolder ideologies that stem from their same basic premise that the current dating pool of men sucks and that casual hook-up culture is, at minimum, a crucial reason why. Among these are the femcels: celibate women (some voluntarily, some otherwise) who feel that it is completely impossible to find genuine heterosexual love in today's world no matter what one does. The #femcel hashtag on TikTok has now been used over 125 million times. Also gathering new converts from the FDS has been a smaller (once fringe) scene know as WGTOWs, which is shorthand for Women Going Their Own Way. The term is a straight-up appropriation of the "manosphere" term "MGTOWs" (shorthand for, you guessed it, Men Going Their Own Way) and describes dedicated female separatists specifically. What's more, both proper conservative and radical feminist thinkers and spaces, ranging from Mary Harrington's Reactionary Feminist blog to the Fourth Wave Women subreddit, have also seen boosts in followership and traffic (as applicable) via FDS. And what it all results in is a tough, assertive, non-partisan movement actually dedicated to women's issues for a change that now looks like this when it's all thrown together in one space. I can't help but be happy about that for two reasons: 1) I've learned a lot about the genuine merits of evolutionary psychology through this new, "based" women's movement, and 2) it shows that the women's movement is finally getting more serious and overall is now clearly trending in the general direction of what my own thinking has been.
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    Females find it hard to find a partner because they generally want the top 10% of men, and those men don't usually commit. There are plenty of average guys that will commit and be loyal, but they don't want that. Most woman find the average man unattractive, and men are starting to figure that out.

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    TwoXChromosomes is a liberal cesspool. They regularly celebrate "trans women" as "real women". They are not "based" at all.
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    Why does someone have to be part of a "movement"? Are they incapable of just being who they are without looking to some stupid assed "movement" to tell them who they should be?
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    This hookup culture has created untold numbers of victim women...theres gang rapes, beatings and robberies...Plus they dont know anything about the guy...Its unreal what they do to themselves...

    In my generation no one would want and internet ho...young women have given away the respect they had fought so hard to get.....repect for women is in an all time low...and the Top tier men seekers...are just in it for the cash...suck him in, marry the money...treat him like $#@! and let him seek a divorce and make millions

    There are many americans that were never taught morals...or self respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    The basic philosophy of FDS is that the sexual revolution of the 1960s and the casual hook-up culture it's given rise to has made women miserable. Which, incidentally, is a fact. .

    I snipped to just this one bit because it will be missed by many.

    If this factor gains steam--it will be worth it. Young women never really understood that the sexual revolution was not beneficial to their lives. It was detrimental.

    The $#@! Walks of a decade or so ago were disgusting.

    A return to respect for one's body would be a nice change.

    I'm not so sure about the rest of the movement--I think it might be more beneficial if we (as a society) just try to help young women develop life goals. Once a woman is secure in how she feels about herself, the rest will fall into place at some point. No need to rush it and no need to hold it at arm's length. Just enjoy life.
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    Luckily there was no social media when I was single. Reddit, Facebook and Twitter has ruined life for younger people with false expectations. No wonder everyone is on anti-anxiety medicine.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I snipped to just this one bit because it will be missed by many.

    If this factor gains steam--it will be worth it. Young women never really understood that the sexual revolution was not beneficial to their lives. It was detrimental.

    The $#@! Walks of a decade or so ago were disgusting.

    A return to respect for one's body would be a nice change.

    I'm not so sure about the rest of the movement--I think it might be more beneficial if we (as a society) just try to help young women develop life goals. Once a woman is secure in how she feels about herself, the rest will fall into place at some point. No need to rush it and no need to hold it at arm's length. Just enjoy life.
    Oh I remember the $#@! Walks. Attended a few of them back in the day. It was supposed to be a protest against rape and the stigma that survivors are put under, as it was touched off by a cop in Toronto saying that like if women don't want to get raped they should "avoid dressing like $#@!s". What resulted was, in theory, the largest protest wave against rape in history up to that point. The name was supposed to mean like "all women are '$#@!s' in the eyes of a woman-hating society" or something akin to that as a clever way of identifying ourselves with survivors of sexual violence, and most of us acted accordingly.

    In reality though, the movement attracted a large volume of what could be called lifestyle advocates who didn't actually seem interested in the issue of sexual violence so much as they were in commanding the male gaze. These opportunists would deliberately attend $#@! Walk marches in the skimpiest attire possible to identify with the statement and/or like tops with stuff like "Proud $#@!" written on them and whatnot, and guys would line up along the outskirts of our marches to photograph them and make fun of our movement. These women, though far from a majority of participants, likewise commanded all of the press attention. In so many ways, that outcome was just a sad reflection of the sexual politics of the time. Online "tube porn" had taken off in recent years and the whole society was being pornified in consequence, including the women's movement. To these ends, I was among those who petitioned to change the name and, in my locality, those of us who favored doing so ultimately won that fight. Not that it mattered much because by that point the movement was already starting to lose momentum anyway.

    Tl;dr: It was a stupid idea that did more harm than good.

    I'm so glad the next generation of young women is moving away from that type of mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Why does someone have to be part of a "movement"? Are they incapable of just being who they are without looking to some stupid assed "movement" to tell them who they should be?
    Yes, just as the sexual revolution was a social movement, this backlash thereto also needs to be a movement. That's because the point of a movement is to change society, not just yourself. The current climate around relationships is a problem of scale -- one that women (especially younger women) in general are forced to navigate -- not just something that a few individuals are dealing with here and there. Building awareness of conditions is an inextricable, foundational part of developing the ability to confront them more collectively. That's the only way we can respond in a way that's proportionate to the problem.

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