User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456
Results 51 to 54 of 54

Thread: What the invasion of Ukraine has revealed about the nature of modern warfare

  1. #51
    Original Ranter
    Points: 743,138, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    473894
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    212,504
    Points
    743,138
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    137,961
    Thanked 124,878x in 80,536 Posts
    Mentioned
    2453 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The Ukraine War Is Bleeding Russia Dry


    As the Ukraine war grinds into its fifth month, it is increasingly unclear what Russia could possibly win which might justify the massive costs it is incurring for its invasion. Conquest is supposed to pay, otherwise war is irrational. Yet after just a few months, it is obvious that a cost-benefit analysis of the war is negative and trending worse for Russia. But Russian President Vladimir Putin is disinterested in peace talks. At this point, he appears to be fighting the war simply for prestige – to prove that Russia is still a great power. This is ironic, because the war itself is destroying Russia’s very claim to be a great power.



    Devastated Conquests Don’t Pay


    In eastern Ukraine, Russia is finally making progress. It is conquering territory. It appears close to fully capturing Luhansk and Donetsk, the Donbas territories Russia claims are independent countries. And Russia controls much of Ukraine’s coast. So Putin might soon be able to declare a kind of ‘victory.’


    But this is success in only the most basic, blunt-force way. It is true that Russia now controls a bit more territory than it did before, and that territorial control is a zero-sum game because there is only so much land-space in the world. Russia now controls more than it did in February, which is a success of sorts. But this victory has otherwise been very limited.

    ***

    Occupying these conquests will be expensive, because a major military or police presence will be needed to prevent revolts. (Ukraine was a hotbed of resistance to both the Nazis and Soviets.) Reconstruction, in order to extract any economic value from these spaces, will be another drain. Most of the world will not recognize these conquests as Russian territory. This means investment and trade will be minimal. Business will also be deterred by the ruined infrastructure. Nor will economically productive people move into such conflict-ridden regions.
    Only the old and frail will likely stay.


    In short order, these conquered areas will require subsidization from the Russian government to survive. This has been a pattern in other Russian ‘frozen conflicts.’ They become an expense and a burden. This is not a sustainable model of expansion, nor is it conquest that pays.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  2. #52
    Points: 31,945, Level: 43
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 505
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Tagger First ClassYour first Group25000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    Admiral Ackbar's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    4816
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    6,598
    Points
    31,945
    Level
    43
    Thanks Given
    4,041
    Thanked 4,806x in 2,988 Posts
    Mentioned
    162 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    If we got into a war every time there was a border dispute in Europe???? OMG.. Especially Eastern Europe. All this is is an Eastern European borderwar.

    It is of no importance to us.

    That is why I chuckle when I hear the absolute certainty that the border of something called Ukraine must be protected! What a joke

    Last edited by Admiral Ackbar; 06-26-2022 at 08:27 AM.
    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"----Fletcher in The Outlaw Josey Wales

  3. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Admiral Ackbar For This Useful Post:

    FindersKeepers (06-26-2022),Peter1469 (06-26-2022)

  4. #53
    Original Ranter
    Points: 743,138, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    473894
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    212,504
    Points
    743,138
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    137,961
    Thanked 124,878x in 80,536 Posts
    Mentioned
    2453 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    If we got into a war every time there was a border dispute in Europe???? OMG.. Especially Eastern Europe. All this is is and Eastern European borderwar.

    It is of no importance to us.

    That is why I chuckle when I hear the absolute certainty that the border of something called Ukraine must be protected! What a joke

    Since 1100 AD Ukraine has been an independent nation for about 30 years. Bad geography.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  5. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Admiral Ackbar (06-26-2022),FindersKeepers (06-26-2022)

  6. #54
    Points: 77,185, Level: 67
    Level completed: 76%, Points required for next Level: 565
    Overall activity: 65.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    FindersKeepers's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    167993
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    22,987
    Points
    77,185
    Level
    67
    Thanks Given
    16,952
    Thanked 20,628x in 12,100 Posts
    Mentioned
    210 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    If we got into a war every time there was a border dispute in Europe???? OMG.. Especially Eastern Europe. All this is is an Eastern European borderwar.

    It is of no importance to us.

    That is why I chuckle when I hear the absolute certainty that the border of something called Ukraine must be protected! What a joke
    I agree 100%.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts