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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Yes, and that's not going away.

    Women won't accept less.
    Nor should they have to. It's a choice that should come much earlier than abortion in (family) planning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Yes, and that's not going away.

    Women won't accept less.
    One of the biggest problems today is that women who choose family over career are often looked down upon and ridiculed, mostly by other women.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    One of the biggest problems today is that women who choose family over career are often looked down upon and ridiculed, mostly by other women.
    One could easily imagine many liberals cringing when Ketanji Brown Jackson spoke about the importance of family during her hearings. Sotomayor is divorced, Kagan never married--which they are of course free to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It need not be perfect, never was. But it is largely the homogeneity that allowed the Nordic nations to successfully raise high taxes and adopt a huge welfare system. The people there could trust in that homogeneity to know that what they paid in would be paid back by the rest of society generation after generation. EU demands for borderless immigration have destroyed much of the trust, and those nations have returned to older capitalist, conservative ways. The progressive dream is a nightmare.
    You're not wrong - but you're addressing the reality of a homogeneous society, whereas I was writing more about perceptions...the fact that those who pine for "the good old days" are focusing on the way it used to be for only a certain segment of the population. Racial, sexual, and sometimes religious minorities were almost universally ignored or vilified, and for members of those classes and communities those times were anything but "the good old days".

    Unlike most of the western European nations, the U.S. hasn't been homogeneous in terms of race, for instance, if it ever really was at all. So whereas someone from Holland or Denmark or Italy might speak of "the good old days" as being a time they personally remember because that's the way it was in reality when they were younger, the "good old days" in this country are largely a product of selective memory and willful ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    One of the biggest problems today is that women who choose family over career are often looked down upon and ridiculed, mostly by other women.
    That is a problem, and it's too bad.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

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    There are always going to be responsible people and irresponsible people. No amount of equality can change that. You can give all kinds of money and things to irresponsible people and it will be gone or trashed in a few days. You can give nothing to responsible people and they will create something out of that nothing.

    Equality cannot be made or contrived. What abortion is cannot be changed. It is the killing of a human life. The best thing we can do is define a time that it stops being okay to kill that life. At present, Leftists/Democrats/Liberals seem to want to take that killing time right up to the birth of a baby - or maybe immediately after that birth. They think that is fine in that it might prevent a child from being unwanted or abused.

    The thing that needs to be remembered is that whatever deadline is decided on legally is the one we live by. It will now vary from state to state and that is a good thing.

    One other thing is that regardless of how a woman celebrates the killing of her unborn baby, at some point......she will have to come to terms with the fact that she took an innocent life. If she has any conscience at all, that will be a hard thing to live with.

    We can't go back. In the days of yore, there were probably just as many bad things going on as there are now but they just weren't openly talked about. Life is messy and it is difficult and that has always been the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    You're not wrong - but you're addressing the reality of a homogeneous society, whereas I was writing more about perceptions...the fact that those who pine for "the good old days" are focusing on the way it used to be for only a certain segment of the population. Racial, sexual, and sometimes religious minorities were almost universally ignored or vilified, and for members of those classes and communities those times were anything but "the good old days".

    Unlike most of the western European nations, the U.S. hasn't been homogeneous in terms of race, for instance, if it ever really was at all. So whereas someone from Holland or Denmark or Italy might speak of "the good old days" as being a time they personally remember because that's the way it was in reality when they were younger, the "good old days" in this country are largely a product of selective memory and willful ignorance.
    I'm sure when the Nordic nations changed from capitalist, conservative politics to more socialized politics there were plenty people who pined for the good old days. But no longer because those good old days are back.

    True, we've never been homogenous in terms of race but in the good old days most everyone believed in America and yearned to achieve the American dream, even immigrants.

    The midterms might have something to say about how many people pine for the good old days when a man was a man and a woman a woman, and parents had a say in their children's education.
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