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    I remember Biden doing that.

    “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’”



    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    No. Conditioning aid on compliance with US foreign policy objectives is not blackmail. Threatening to withhold aid that has already been approved by Congress until a foreign leader provides dirt on your political opponents is.
    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." - Patrick Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    The Steele Dossier was irrelevant to “all that followed.” As were the Carter Page FISA warrants. The investigation began before anyone involved in establishing the investigation had even heard of the Steele Dossier and neither it nor anything produced under any Carter Page warrants was relied on or cited in the Mueller investigation.
    So the scam began prior to the Steele Dossier? That's even more damning.

    Did you believe, for any time at all, that any of this might be true? That Russia was responsible for the election of Donald Trump and the downfall of Hillary Clinton?
    And, of course, no one has said that a president cannot call the leader of a foreign country. But, the president shouldn’t try to blackmail a foreign leader when they do speak.
    And, of course Trump did not 'blackmail' anyone. The only recent President who has done that is Joe Biden, and he happily admitted to it - boasted about it. And do you believe that Hunter Biden received hundreds of thousands from Burisma was because of his energy expertise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    You don't think it was important enough to be comprehensively investigated. Fine. But that's not the reason Republicans gave when they voted down the commission. As I posted before, Republicans didn't want to study J6 because it would impact midterms. They said as much. That's the real reason why they also boycotted the committee. The only thing that matters for these politicians is the election. Yes, for dems too. But that doesn't mean they are fabricating the facts they uncovered. facts that would have never surfaced with those other part time committees.
    It is not being "comprehensively investigated", which is why only the leftiest of leftists are interested in it. Rational people understand it's a show trial.

    As with the Russian Hoax and the Ukrainian phone call scam, it is a deliberate distraction from the far more important problems the country faces, which is largely why these corrupt greedmeisters are so far down in the polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    No. Conditioning aid on compliance with US foreign policy objectives is not blackmail. Threatening to withhold aid that has already been approved by Congress until a foreign leader provides dirt on your political opponents is.
    What "US foreign policy" was behind Biden's bribe?

    You really have no idea what went on there, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Sullivan isn't antifa/BLM. He's a self-serving agitator without apparent ideological interests. BLM folks had warned people about having anything to do with him, long before January 6.
    lol
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    Debunked over and over.
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    The Steele Dossier was irrelevant to “all that followed.” As were the Carter Page FISA warrants. The investigation began before anyone involved in establishing the investigation had even heard of the Steele Dossier and neither it nor anything produced under any Carter Page warrants was relied on or cited in the Mueller investigation.

    And, of course, no one has said that a president cannot call the leader of a foreign country. But, the president shouldn’t try to blackmail a foreign leader when they do speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Young View Post
    So the scam began prior to the Steele Dossier? That's even more damning.

    Did you believe, for any time at all, that any of this might be true? That Russia was responsible for the election of Donald Trump and the downfall of Hillary Clinton?
    What I believe is that the Russian government organized and implemented multiple criminal conspiracies to try to help the Trump campaign, that Trump knowingly used the fruits of those criminal enterprises in his campaign and then tried to cover it up. That's all very well documented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Young View Post
    What "US foreign policy" was behind Biden's bribe?

    You really have no idea what went on there, right?
    No, I know went went on there, in reality. Biden's pressure on Ukraine to fire Shokin was what the US and EU governments (and even a number of Republican US senators) had been trying to achieve from well before Biden's meetings in Ukraine.

    European and US officials pressed Ukraine to sack Viktor Shokin, the country’s former prosecutor-general, months before Joe Biden, the former US vice-president, personally intervened to force his removal, people involved in the talks said. Mr Biden did not act unilaterally nor did he instigate the push against Mr Shokin, despite suggestions to the contrary by supporters of US president Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.

    EU diplomats working on Ukraine at the time have, however, told the FT that they were looking for ways to persuade Kiev to remove Mr Shokin well before Mr Biden entered the picture. The push for Mr Shokin’s removal was part of an international effort to bolster Ukraine’s institutions following Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the armed conflict in the eastern part of the country.

    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro] Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is. But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    Mr Shokin had been appointed prosecutor-general of Ukraine in February 2015, but the discussions in Washington and EU capitals about pushing for his removal started as early as April after he failed to follow through on a burst of expected early anti-corruption moves, one former US Treasury official said. Mr Biden entered the fray in December 2015, placing Mr Shokin’s removal at the top of his agenda on a visit to Kiev. “I know how the idea to have Shokin fired came up, and it wasn't Biden. His direct involvement came late in the game,” the former US Treasury official said.

    In addition to the US and the EU, senior IMF officials, including Christine Lagarde, the former managing director, forcefully called on Ukraine to boost its reform efforts, including anti-corruption measures, in early 2016, before Mr Shokin was ousted. The fund’s focus was on institutions rather than individuals, IMF officials said.

    Prominent Republican senators, including Rob Portman of Ohio and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, were on a similar push at the time, calling for “urgent reforms to the prosecutor-general’s office and judiciary” in an early 2016 letter to Mr Poroshenko.
    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-...3-db5a370481bc

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    What I believe is that the Russian government organized and implemented multiple criminal conspiracies to try to help the Trump campaign, that Trump knowingly used the fruits of those criminal enterprises in his campaign and then tried to cover it up. That's all very well documented.
    Yes, that's what you believe, along with many other gullible leftists (the only kind really)
    but you have no evidence. In fact 'evidence had to be manufactured. Did you know that? Or do you still believe in the Steele Dossier?

    And no doubt you now believe in an 'insurrection' also, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    No, I know went went on there, in reality. Biden's pressure on Ukraine to fire Shokin was what the US and EU governments (and even a number of Republican US senators) had been trying to achieve from well before Biden's meetings in Ukraine
    We can believe little of the propaganda that comes out of the Ukraine and recycled through friendly US media but what we do know for sure is the the Bidens were involved in a seeming QPQ with Ukraine. Biden's useless son Hunter was paid hundreds of thousands by Burisma and that was being investigated.

    What do you think of the Biden corruption? Or do you feel that the stories are untrue? Should there be an investigation?
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