Thomas Jefferson: The greatest American

[Ethereal]

From Thomas Jefferson's first inaugural address:

...Let us, then, with courage and confidence pursue our own Federal and Republican principles, our attachment to union and representative government. Kindly separated by nature and a wide ocean from the exterminating havoc of one quarter of the globe; too high-minded to endure the degradations of the others; possessing a chosen country, with room enough for our descendants to the thousandth and thousandth generation; entertaining a due sense of our equal right to the use of our own faculties, to the acquisitions of our own industry, to honor and confidence from our fellow-citizens, resulting not from birth, but from our actions and their sense of them; enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter -- with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens -- a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities...

[Chuck]

I lean a lot more toward Madison, Elbridge Gerry, the Pinckneys, and George Mason, myself. Jefferson's role wasn't insignificant, but was primarily a propagandist and lobbyist, i.e. a politician, and didn't necessarily mean or believe everything he wrote great speeches about.

[Thom Paine]

I lean a lot more toward Madison, Elbridge Gerry, the Pinckneys, and George Mason, myself. Jefferson's role wasn't insignificant, but was primarily a propagandist and lobbyist, i.e. a politician, and didn't necessarily mean or believe everything he wrote great speeches about.

What influenced and how did you arrive at that conclusion ?

[stephenpe]

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

-Excerpted from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816

[Chuck]

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

-Excerpted from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816

And of course we're supposed to open our borders, legalize homosexual fetishists getting married, grooming pubic school children to make them more 'accepting' of pedophiles and being shot full of hormones and wanting to be sexually mutilated and all the other sicko crap commies and deviants push, cuz some guy said some stuff in 1816 that appeals to kooks and sickos.

[countryboy]

And of course we're supposed to open our borders, legalize homosexual fetishists getting married, grooming pubic school children to make them more 'accepting' of pedophiles and being shot full of hormones and wanting to be sexually mutilated and all the other sicko crap commies and deviants push, cuz some guy said some stuff in 1816 that appeals to kooks and sickos.

And like it!

[stephenpe]

And of course we're supposed to open our borders, legalize homosexual fetishists getting married, grooming pubic school children to make them more 'accepting' of pedophiles and being shot full of hormones and wanting to be sexually mutilated and all the other sicko crap commies and deviants push, cuz some guy said some stuff in 1816 that appeals to kooks and sickos.

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Or just appeal to the aggressively illiterate like the idiotweeter did for the last six years..........

[Chuck]

What influenced and how did you arrive at that conclusion ?

Extensive reading of history, including Jefferson's, and noting the differences in what they said at different times depending on what political battles were going on when they said something or other. This of course annoys ideologues who love to cherry pick quotes in their 'appeals to higher authorities' games. There is a reason why pagans and 'atheists', for example only cite Jefferson and maybe one or two other 'Founders' when sniveling about some Evul Xian who is making them cry about something or other, never mind they weren't even the most important Founders out of hundreds.

[donttread]

What influenced and how did you arrive at that conclusion ?

I wonder who your favorite founding father was? Humm?

[Mister D]

I wonder who your favorite founding father was? Humm?

It can't be Paine.