Thomas Jefferson: The greatest American

[Captdon]

Were the Senate rules different back then? Today the chairs are from the majority party.

The Republicans didn't always control the House or Senate. The chairs were always from the majority party then as well.

[Captdon]

From the northern tip of Virigina around Florida through the gulf
More ocean front property........

From Baltimore to Maine.The North did well without Southern ports during the War.

[Chuck]

No contradiction. You don't know anything about this subject. You are foolish at best. I didn't say Lincoln started the War. Period. The South did and they did it to protect slavery. You're a sad, little, clueless fool.

lol projection. Nobody said you were bright enough to understand you contradict yourself, which is typical for uneducated parrots who don't know what they're talking about and just repeat popular rubbish.

[Chuck]

and tech would soon make slavery obsolete................... all the North had to do was wait 20 years, build strength, and it would have been eradicated on it's on. But big business couldn't wait that long. The loss of seacoast for port building would have devastated the North and big investors

New York City was going to secede as well, until word got back from England that the Confederate states were making arrangements to ship cotton directly from southern ports and bypass the Yankee middlemen and their shipping monopolies. Their clothing and shoe industries would also have to then compete directly with the British industries in bidding for cotton and also lose trade to British manufacturers of goods the South had imported from the North, like shoes and clothing for their slaves, and then there was that 10% tariff that really angered Lincoln and the big business leaders; that would effectively given the southern ports all of the Mississippi trade and most of the coastal trade if the North had gone through with their extortionate Morrill Acts, with some goods getting import tariffs over 300%. This is why Lincoln chose war; as a railroad lawyer he was in the pockets of big business all of his career.

"But what am I to do in the meantime with those men at Montgomery [meaning the Confederate constitutional convention]? Am I to let them go on... [a]nd open Charleston, etc., as ports of entry, with their ten-percent tariff. What, then, would become of my tariff?" ~ Lincoln to Colonel John B. Baldwin, deputized by the Virginian Commissioners to determine whether Lincoln would use force, April 4, 1861.

From the horse's mouth.

"Union means so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means the loss of the same millions to the North. The love of money is the root of this as of many other evils....The quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel".... Charles Dickens in a London periodical in December 1861

According to the retarded losers, this makes Charles Dickens a slavery supporter.


"The contest is really for empire on the side of the North and for independence on that of the South....". ..... London Times of 7 Nov 1861 Exactly.


Unilaterally proclaiming secession illegal and then starting an illegal war using a string of illegal unconstitutional actions is the height of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance; merely thuggery. We know what the agenda was by the legislation passed first. Even in the middle of the war, in dire straits militarily and budget-wise and the war still in doubt,, they took the time to shove through the Pacific Railroad Act along with millions of dollars in subsidies for it, making the claims they were too busy to do anything about slavery because they were primarily focused on 'preserving the Union' utterly ridiculous.