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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    LOL You guys are too funny. Ad Hominem is your only reply, you don't seem to see that. Address the issue prove me wrong. You can't do that can you. I understand. I'll be back....





    Ask who MTG appeals to....
    Your entire post was an attempt at 'ad hom'. Of course you may not see it that way.

    Tunnel vision is not your friend, try treating people as individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    LOL You guys are too funny. Ad Hominem is your only reply, you don't seem to see that. Address the issue prove me wrong. You can't do that can you. I understand. I'll be back....





    Ask who MTG appeals to....
    "I'll be back "?

    Lmao. I'll let you know when I'm finished hiding under the couch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5
    Imagine your son comes home from school one day and tells you he grabbed a girl's backside. Proud father, you tell him one day he could be president of the most powerful nation on earth. Hard to imagine? In America today - Not hard at all.
    Isn't this a little old? We already had Bill Clinton as president and now we have Biden who sniffs the hair of all the women.
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    Your daughter brags that she shouted at the Principal in the auditorium when he talked about the coming school year. Another candidate for the Republican Congress, do you smile or cry. Why.
    It depends. What did she shout at the school principal for? Do you think children should be blindly obedient of all adults? What if the principal was talking about teaching transgender studies and pointless assertions of pronouns?
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    Autocracy and oligarchy appeal to many as it is simple, just point at the other.
    Who would the autocrat be? As for oligarchy, I think many conservatives are quite concerned about too much concentration of power in a handful of corporations. You do realize that much of the enforcement of anti-trust ceased under the Clinton administration 30 years ago?
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    Trump is still the republicans leader and they kowtow to his base for they fear it will turn on them.
    That's how democracy works.
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    That base is a biased base when it isn't just motivated by private interest.
    All political factions have a bias. That's the whole point of political plurality.
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    mixed with hatred for the other - for those who are different.
    Uhhummm... That's what you're doing right now.
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    Policy disagreement is no longer debated, discussed, analyzed, today it is labeled.
    People discuss policy disagreements all the time. You may not like the labels, but that's rhetoric.
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    And the irony is the enemy is now your neighbor, a fellow American.
    Has it ever been any different? And what's eating you? Did Biden fail to unite us all?
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    Mention abortion guns racism immigrants socialism bigotry trans or BLM or any other dog whistle and you have them in your pocket.
    That doesn't sound like a single issue. It sounds like quite a few issues.
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    And then there is Lauren Boebert who like some school yard bully heckles the POTUS.
    Maybe she took a hint from Nancy Pelosi tearing up a copy of the State of the Union address while standing right behind the president...
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    Your ZIP code today may indicate whether you support the autocrats.
    An autocracy is rule by a single person. You cannot have autocrats in plural. Isn't this precisely the labelling you were lamenting earlier?
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    The SCOTUS hearing demonstrated the republican stupidity first hand, while they had no trouble with an accused rapist on the court, an intelligent black woman was a no no for their racist right.
    Accusing someone of rape doesn't make that someone a rapist. As for intelligent black woman, you're talking about Ketanji Brown Jackson who claims an inability to define what a woman is--rather signaling her political fealty toward the latest weirdness in identity politics, such as calling women "people with wombs."
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    Violence toward woman and others is fine as Trump demonstrated so often during his rallies, but suddenly republicans are deeply concerned with children.
    When was Trump violent toward a woman during his rallies? I must have missed that.
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    Why are President Biden accomplishments so little recognized?
    They are recognized. However, a lot of people disagree with his political choices. For example, Trump was elected in significant degree because the oligarchs you lament want illegal immigrants, but the majority of the American people do not. Trump was one of the only elected politicians trying to stop that. Biden reversed Trump's border policy, creating a humanitarian crisis on the border, and thereby underpinning political support for Trump.
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    Why are so many Americans hateful of the other, is it just stupidity?
    Why do you hate Trump just because he's different from you? Shouldn't you be more tolerant and respectful of him?
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    but it's perfectly acceptable for you (and your cohorts) to dismiss Midcan's thoughtful post with a one-liner and/or an insult?
    Basically, they threw the kitchen sink at Donald Trump, just as they accused Brett Kavanaugh of being a rapist. Yet, they're both still standing. Midcan would do well to learn the old school kid retort, "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." This is quite literally what has happened to the Democrats, the media and higher education--they lost their credibility in their crusade against Donald Trump.
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    I love how some itemize threads and give their opinion on each paragraph as if their opinion isn't simply the filter they through which they see and interpret the world. Kinda a waste of time in my opinion, and you do know what the DI said about opinions.


    As I read 'Twilight of Democracy' stupidity changes, becomes more complex, more easily understood. Closed mindedness becomes simple mindedness. Is simple mindedness stupid. Karen Stenner covers this concept. Various issues, immigration, diversity, sexuality, education, more complex topics create in some people fear and fear of change creates backlash. It is backlash an authoritarian like Trump and DeSantis et al can use to prop up their otherwise issue empty politics.

    https://www.karenstenner.com/


    PS I realize this is complex stuff for those who are inside the bubble but try, read the book, check the links, then maybe you will start thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I love how some itemize threads and give their opinion on each paragraph as if their opinion isn't simply the filter they through which they see and interpret the world. Kinda a waste of time in my opinion, and you do know what the DI said about opinions.


    As I read 'Twilight of Democracy' stupidity changes, becomes more complex, more easily understood. Closed mindedness becomes simple mindedness. Is simple mindedness stupid. Karen Stenner covers this concept. Various issues, immigration, diversity, sexuality, education, more complex topics create in some people fear and fear of change creates backlash. It is backlash an authoritarian like Trump and DeSantis et al can use to prop up their otherwise issue empty politics.

    https://www.karenstenner.com/


    PS I realize this is complex stuff for those who are inside the bubble but try, read the book, check the links, then maybe you will start thinking.

    Actually, it's overly simplistic and partisanly progressive.
    To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. ― Michael Joseph Oakeshott, Rationalism in Politics and Other Essays

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    No real counter to my thread thesis but as I noted above the topic is complex as it involves human belief and personality on a number of levels. I am constantly giving books away and going through old reads and I recently picked up Corey Robin's 'The Reactionary Mind' and skimmed it, especially his conclusions. Another epiphany arose. 'Conservatism' requires loss, for losing brings them back to life as otherwise what are they. The democrat's win in 2020 gave them new life for they do not do, they only awake with loss, for loss becomes them. They must have their way even when their way is empty. Paradoxical huh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    No real counter to my thread thesis but as I noted above the topic is complex as it involves human belief and personality on a number of levels. I am constantly giving books away and going through old reads and I recently picked up Corey Robin's 'The Reactionary Mind' and skimmed it, especially his conclusions. Another epiphany arose. 'Conservatism' requires loss, for losing brings them back to life as otherwise what are they. The democrat's win in 2020 gave them new life for they do not do, they only awake with loss, for loss becomes them. They must have their way even when their way is empty. Paradoxical huh.
    Interesting that a book called 'Reactionary Mind' leads you to a conclusion that Conservatives are the ones requiring 'loss'.

    There is a difference between proactive, and reactive. It doesn't take much to figure out which is applicable to which political position. Think on that for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Collateral Damage View Post
    Interesting that a book called 'Reactionary Mind' leads you to a conclusion that Conservatives are the ones requiring 'loss'.
    There is a difference between proactive, and reactive. It doesn't take much to figure out which is applicable to which political position. Think on that for a bit.
    I realize the topic is complex and the book and the ideas often appear ambiguous or even ironic. But there is order in the madness. Read the book if you genuinely want to learn. A quote below to give a sense [of loss] concerning slavery. This line of thinking continues today with immigration and woman's rights.

    page 56


    "That school of thought contended with a second, arguably more influential, school. American slavery was not democratic, according to this line of thinking, because it offered the opportunity for personal mastery to white men: American slavery was democratic because it made every white man, slaveholder or not, a member of the ruling class by virtue of the color of his skin. In the words of Calhoun: "With us the two great divisions of society are not the rich and poor, but white and black; and all the former, the poor as well as the rich, belong to the upper class, and are respected and treated as equals." Or as his junior colleague James Henry Hammond put it, "In a slave country every freeman is an aristocrat."

    Even without slaves or the material prerequisites for freedom, a poor white man could style himself a member of the nobility and thus be relied upon to take the necessary measures in its defense. Whether one subscribed to the first or second school of thought, the master class believed that democratic feudalism was a potent counter to the egalitarian movements then roiling Europe and Jacksonian America. European radicals, declared Dew, “wish all mankind to be brought to one common level. We believe slavery, in the United States, has accomplished this." By freeing whites from "menial and low offices," slavery had eliminated “the greatest cause of distinction and separation of the ranks of society."

    As the nineteenth-century ruling classes contended with challenge after challenge to their power, the master class offered up racial domination as a way of harnessing the energy of the white masses, in support of, rather than in opposition to, the privileges and powers of established elites. This program would find its ultimate fulfillment a century later and a continent away."


    https://www.academia.edu/25816471/The_Reactionary_Mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    No real counter to my thread thesis but as I noted above the topic is complex as it involves human belief and personality on a number of levels. I am constantly giving books away and going through old reads and I recently picked up Corey Robin's 'The Reactionary Mind' and skimmed it, especially his conclusions. Another epiphany arose. 'Conservatism' requires loss, for losing brings them back to life as otherwise what are they. The democrat's win in 2020 gave them new life for they do not do, they only awake with loss, for loss becomes them. They must have their way even when their way is empty. Paradoxical huh.
    Nothing personal Midcan but you need to see someone. You have gone off the deep end.

    What you call a thesis is random ramblings.

    Conservatism is about getting government out of our lives. Winning elections is only to get rid of those interfering in our lives.
    We want to spend the bare minimum to do what the Constitution requires. The obsession with winning is to stop the left who wants the opposite. They want government to control not only their life, but the lives of others.

    So here is the deal. There are about 85 million of you. Pool your money together and have on big communal effort. You can even opt out of medicare and SS and we will privatize the rest so that we get a decent return and it is not used to reduce unemployment numbers by expanding disability. You can have your own non-profit insurance company and build your own non-profit pharmaceutical companies... and you don't have to relocate. We can all be friends because you will not be forcing your beliefs on others for a change.

    Put it together. Leave us alone. Then we have no conflicts. It is like a union in a right to work state. Some will join you, others will not.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Another epiphany arose. 'Conservatism' requires loss, for losing brings them back to life as otherwise what are they. The democrat's win in 2020 gave them new life for they do not do, they only awake with loss, for loss becomes them. They must have their way even when their way is empty. Paradoxical huh.
    Another epiphany arose. 'Liberalism' requires loss, for losing brings them back to life as otherwise what are they. The Republican's win in 2016 gave them new life for they do not do, they only awake with loss, for loss becomes them. They must have their way even when their way is empty. Paradoxical huh.

    Leave the epiphanies to James Joyce and the paradoxes to Zeno.
    To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. ― Michael Joseph Oakeshott, Rationalism in Politics and Other Essays

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