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Thread: Russias Protracted War in Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I doubt I said you are stupid. Just wrong.
    You ridiculed me. I was proven correct. You are wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No. We wont. No president will exchange 500 American cities for Ukraine. Putin's invading force was far too small to conquer Ukraine.
    1. I said if he uses nukes in Poland or Germany.
    2. He thought and was told that it was big enough - that's the key point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    You ridiculed me. I was proven correct. You are wrong here.
    You have not been proven correct. I am right and have been from the beginning.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    1. I said if he uses nukes in Poland or Germany.
    2. He thought and was told that it was big enough - that's the key point.
    No. No President will sacrifice 500 American cities over Ukraine.

    Would you?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    1. I said if he uses nukes in Poland or Germany.
    2. He thought and was told that it was big enough - that's the key point.
    Dave, how do you know what Putin intended or was told?


    Forces on the ground are truth. I believed then, and now, that Putin's gambit was a limited attack for small objectives.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Based on the pre-invasion disposition of Russian forces, Russia could not take all of Ukraine unless they just gave up. I don't know what was in Putin's mind, but I do know how to interpret the satellite data and see the number /position of troops and the lack of strategic level logistics hubs.
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    Much like when the British invaded New Orleans, the Russians brought administrators to run the country. They intended to take over the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Much like when the British invaded New Orleans, the Russians brought administrators to run the country. They intended to take over the country.
    If so, they made one of the biggest blunders in modern military history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Dave, how do you know what Putin intended or was told?

    Forces on the ground are truth. I believed then, and now, that Putin's gambit was a limited attack for small objectives.
    From everything we've seen in the lead-up to the war--it was, and still is.

    Putin's gambit concerned the Donbas and Crimea--both regions with more citizens who are loyal to Russia than to Ukraine. Both regions that had declared their independence from Ukraine in 2014.

    We're not talking about a sweet, innocent little Ukraine here. We're talking about a corrupt murderous country that dammed up the fresh water supply to Crimea and was slaughtering citizens in the Donbas. Those citizens were constantly appealing to Putin to do something, and he finally did, after repeatedly approaching the World Court about the situation and being turned down.

    There's no evidence whatsoever that Putin wants Poland. What he does likely want--and what I want--is for us to butt out of the situation. We have enough problems at home--we don't need to be sending American money into corrupt Ukraine. It's completely senseless. Those who are still beating the drum of the Red Scare are locked in a past that no longer exists.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

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