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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    I will concur with the great physicists, theologians and philosophers of our species ... what preceded the singularity is not only unknown, it is unknowable.

    A singularity cannot be 'SOMETHING' in the physical sense as there is:

    - No space for the 'SOMETHING' to exist within.
    - No time for it to have experienced entropy through.
    - No matter for it to have existed from.

    Yet, in less than the blink of a Lilliputian's eye, it all went from 'WASN'T' to is.

    The obvious conclusion is that something happened on a different plane of existence than this one, which was the causal event, but the creation of everything from nothing ... or as the Reverend Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Edouard LeMaitre said ' EC CREATIO NIHILO' in his "HYPOTHESIS OF THE PRIMORDIAL ATOM."

    Other than thought experiments, evidence from another plane of existence is beyond man's scope.

    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. ... Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
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    The singularity is something, not nothing. No matter how much you fight it, there it is.
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    The something existing today came from the something, the singularity that existed before. Why is this problematic for you?
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    Seriously ... read a book.
    Seriously, not only have I read books, I understood them.


    I hope you will begin to try to understand what you, yourself, have written. It is clear you do not. Take a couple of months off to do some thinking. I know it is hard. Thinking is not for everyone. Perhaps it is not for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
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    And you should have one. But probably not from me.
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    I have explained it to the science deniers, but I can’t understand it for them.
    "Buy a man eat fish, the day, teach a man to a life time! "
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    I have explained it to the science deniers, but I can’t understand it for them.
    You claim to know and yet you fail to understand that the singularity is something, not nothing.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You claim to know and yet you fail to understand that the singularity is something, not nothing.
    Let t be time. The singularity occurs at universe t = 1, not t = 0 where matter/every, space and time are all zero. At t = 1 all that came into being. See @LWW's earlier explanations.
    Last edited by Chris; 08-13-2022 at 11:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Let t be time. The singularity occurs at universe t = 1, not t = 0 where matter/every, space and time are all zero. At t = 1 all that came into being. See @LWW's earlier explanations.
    No matter how you dress it up and pretend, the singularity is something, not nothing.

    Absorb this fact. You will be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No matter how you dress it up and pretend, the singularity is something, not nothing.

    Absorb this fact. You will be fine.

    No one disagrees, The singularity was something, a stage in the development of the universe. Just not the beginning. The laws of nature break down at the singularity so you can't go further back with explanation. It's unknown.

    Your problem is in understanding what the singularity was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    No one disagrees, The singularity was something, a stage in the development of the universe. Just not the beginning. The laws of nature break down at the singularity so you can't go further back with explanation. It's unknown.

    Your problem is in understanding what the singularity was.
    You are right. The singularity was something. Not nothing. You were completely wrong in your first post that something came from nothing. It didn't. The something we know today as the Universe arose from the something before it called the Singularity.

    Now we agree. Something came from something, not from nothing. And it only took 59 posts.
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