Trump Invokes the 5th Almost 450 X - "YOU SEE THE MOB TAKES THE 5TH"

[Peter1469]

yeah, when he said that a few years ago, I thought to myself: "He's wrong. I'd take the 5th every time."

Yes, and Trump explained after this, that he now knows better about the 5th. The OP is just a complete [censored.]

[Peter1469]

In Ohio you would be wrong. I would think that would be a grave constitutional violation. The constitution applies to both criminal and civil law.

When Liquids brings up the Constitution it is safe to assume his is wrong 100% of the time.

[TheLiquidGuy]

In Ohio you would be wrong. I would think that would be a grave constitutional violation. The constitution applies to both criminal and civil law.

I am not sure why this guy (an SDNY prosecutor) is speaking as though it can be used against him...

“The negative inference that can be drawn at a civil trial down the road isn’t great for him — that’s the consequence of refusing to testify today, that the jury will be instructed that they can infer that his testimony would have harmed his case — but it’s small potatoes compared to the substantial risk that he would (1) disclose damaging information that could be used against him civilly and/or criminally, (2) lie to avoid disclosing harmful information and thereby open himself up to perjury charges, or both,” she told Law&Crime.

Can Pleading the Fifth Hurt Trump in Civil Case


I looked and saw no mention in the fifth about negative inferences. I suppose I could also make the argument that "Griffin v. California" is just a weak, invented add on (like RvW).

[TheLiquidGuy]

When Liquids brings up the Constitution it is safe to assume his is wrong 100% of the time.

Any non ad homs today, sport?


No?


Didn't think so.

[Whale Song]

Personally I don't assume someone is automatically guilty just because they plead the fifth. It's a constitutional right. What I do care about is that whole pesky guilty/not guilty thing people are so quick to overlook.

[stephenpe]

yeah, when he said that a few years ago, I thought to myself: "He's wrong. I'd take the 5th every time."

A 5th is not a bad thing at times...........he probably needed one after those 5ths download (4).jpeg

[The Booman]

Trump is the entire mob? I did not know that.

[TheLion]

When Liquids brings up the Constitution it is safe to assume his is wrong 100% of the time.

Yeah, he’s wrong here. The USSC has ruled that in CIVIL cases, invoking the Fifth can be used to infer guilt, but cannot be the only factor in establish guilt.

“While in a criminal procedure, the court must instruct the jury that it cannot draw an inference of guilt from a defendant’s failure to testify about facts relevant to his case, (Griffin v. California (1965) 80 U.S. 609). In civil cases, “the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them.” (Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976) 425 U.S. 308, 318.)“

https://www.advocatemagazine.com/article/2016-october/pleading-the-fifth-in-civil-cases

[TheLion]

Trump is the entire mob? I did not know that.

He’s just a crime family Don wannabe.

Like everything else in his life, he sucks at it.

[TheLiquidGuy]

Yeah, he’s wrong here. The USSC has ruled that in CIVIL cases, invoking the Fifth can be used to infer guilt, but cannot be the only factor in establish guilt.

“While in a criminal procedure, the court must instruct the jury that it cannot draw an inference of guilt from a defendant’s failure to testify about facts relevant to his case, (Griffin v. California (1965) 80 U.S. 609). In civil cases, “the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them.” (Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976) 425 U.S. 308, 318.)“

https://www.advocatemagazine.com/art...in-civil-cases

Actually, it looks like I was right and the two lawyers were wrong.


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