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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Do you believe that Trump can legally lie to the FBI about his compliance with a grand jury subpoena?
    No. Not relevant.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    NARA turned the matter over to the FBI when they found numerous classified documents in the first batch of records turned over by Trump. It became a federal investigation once the FBI took it over. It's amazing the lengths you guys will go to to try to dismiss the seriousness of what Trump did here. He had Top Secret human source intelligence documents in his office, in boxes and commingled with a bunch of other stuff in his desk drawers, and refused to return them over to the DOJ when a grand jury subpoena required that he return all of these documents.
    Where have I heard this speech from you before? LOL

    Oh yeah. Every other single time that you had him this time.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No. Not relevant.
    So, you believe that he’s above the law? That’s not how it is supposed to work in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    So, you believe that he’s above the law? That’s not how it is supposed to work in this country.
    We are not going to accept your process crimes. You are bad people.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStone7476 View Post
    Trump and a LARGE number of Republicans in our government (AKA the Radical Right Republicans; AKA the Trump-Chumps; AKA the Coup-Coup Bunch) have said that we did NOT have to worry about the government documents at Mar-a-Lago, because those documents were NOT classified; and they were not classified because Trump declassified them; and thus the FBI’s action to remove those documents from Mar-a-Lago was NOT necessary.

    ● Here’s what the Trump-Chumps don’t tell you (maybe because they don’t want you to know, or maybe because THEY don’t know):

    1 - A classified document may contain “potentially harmful” information. That is, it may contain formation that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. That is: if it was seen by the wrong people, that information could compromise our methods for gathering intelligence; and/or it could cause our allies to become reluctant to share intelligence with us; and/or it could get our people killed; and/or it could get our friends killed; and/or it could put our national security at risk; and/or it could cause other things to happen that would harm our nation.

    2 - When Trump declassified a document containing “potentially harmful” information, the resulting “Trump declassified” document contained the SAME “potentially harmful” information that was in the document before he declassified it. Bottom line: A “Trump declassified” document could contain information that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. OBVIOUSLY, there is a problem with “Trump declassified” documents. And OBVIOUSLY, it is a MAJOR problem.

    This problem exists because a “Trump declassified” document is NOT a “properly declassified” document. That is, when Trump declassified a document, he did NOT follow the proper procedure for doing so. Bottom line: Trump was haphazard and sloppy when he declassified documents. (It’s as if he thought that he could magically declassify documents because he was “president”.)

    The following is the proper procedure to declassify a document: > Our intelligence people should review the document to see if it contains “potentially harmful” information. > If the document contains “potentially harmful” information, ALL of that information should be redacted. > All classification markings should be removed from the document. > The aforementioned process should be officially documented. > At that point, the document can be deemed as properly declassified.

    It should be no surprise to anyone that Trump did NOT follow the proper procedure for declassifying documents. As we ALL know, he doesn’t like to follow rules. That is, he prefers to ignore rules, just like he prefers to ignore our laws and our Constitution. (When he was in office, he was a self-proclaimed “law-and-order president”. But he was ACTUALLY a “lawless-law-and-order president”. And now, he is a “lawless-law-and-order ex-president.)

    ● Classified documents:

    > As for classified documents and Obama: Trump said that Obama did the same thing as he did. Here’s reality: Obama did NOT store his classified documents in his house. (He’s not a moron!) Obama’s classified documents are being properly and legally stored in NARA facilities.

    > As for classified documents and Hillary: The Trump-Chumps like to trash Hillary and claim that she had classified documents on her private email server. Here’s reality: The FBI found that Hillary did NOT knowingly have classified documents on her email server, because the documents sent to her did not have classification markings on them; and the FBI cleared her of any wrongdoing. (During his first run for President, Trump went berserk over Hillary’s email server. And he encouraged his supporters to chant “lock her up”.)

    > As for classified documents and Trump:
    * Trump took a LARGE NUMBER of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago which is NOT a secure location for those documents. Thus, he put our national security at risk.
    * When the government repeatedly asked him to return the classified documents, Trump gave the government the runaround. Finally, after he did that for well over a year, the DOJ took legal action to get the FBI involved.
    * Hillary NEVER took classified documents to her home. (She’s not a moron!)
    * Bottom line: Trump did FAR WORSE than Hillary. Trump’s actions put our national security at risk, but Hillary’s actions did NOT. (Question: Why aren’t Trump’s supporters chanting “lock him up“? Maybe it’s because they have a double standard. Or maybe it’s because they only believe what Trump tells them to believe.)

    And what did Trump do with the classified documents while they were at Mar-a-Lago? That is: > Did he alter them? > Did he show them to his family, his friends, his employees, and his hotel patrons, while he was bragging about himself? > Did he show them to people (foreign or domestic) to get them to like him? (For example: Did he show them to his hero, Putin (a mass murderer), in order to get Putin to like him?) > Did he sell them to people (foreign or domestic) for his personal gain? (For example: A Trump hotel in Moscow?) > Did he copy them; and if so, where are the copies? > Did he hide some of them in other locations, and they are still at Mar-a-Lago? > Did he hide some of them outside of Mar-a-Lago? > Did he plan to use them to blackmail our government and/or US allies? > Was he going to use them in a way that would have been a betrayal to our nation? (One prominent veteran’s group refers to him as “traitor Trump”.)

    Hopefully, the planned “damage assessment” will definitively answer those questions. (It should be noted by all Trump-Chumps that NO damage assessment was warranted for Hillary’s email server.)

    > When I was in the military, I worked with classified documents. If I had taken one of those documents to my dorm room, I would have been punished. Apparently, the Radical Right Republicans have a double standard on this issue; one standard for Trump, and another standard for everyone else. That is: “defend Trump and attack those who did nothing wrong” for you-know-who; and “punishment” for the rest of us.

    ● In conclusion: In addition to falsely claiming that the FBI’s action was unnecessary, Trump and his Chumps are also falsely claiming that the action was illegal and political. They are ignoring the fact that Trump did NOT properly declassify the documents, and thus it was illegal for him to store them at Mar-a-Lago. And they are ignoring the fact that Trump was repeatedly asked to return the documents to their rightful owners for well over a year. Furthermore, Trump and his Chumps are attacking the FBI, in an effort to put the lives of FBI agents at risk. Trump and his Chumps are frauds, they are irresponsible, and they are dangerous. (Does the word “lowlifes” come to mind?)
    There are billions of pages of classified documents. When your government has that many secrets you need a new government

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    So, you believe that he’s above the law? That’s not how it is supposed to work in this country.
    tell us about Hillary and Obama again............
    Where the hell are the documents for Fast and Furious?
    HRC smashed phones and wiped her computer when her records were requested by the FBI..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    He's a private citizen who obstructed the DOJ and violated the Espionage Act by hiding documents involving national defense that were responsive to a government subpoena. He doesn't get a free pass because he used to be president.
    Hillary got a free pass.

    But, ignoring Hillary, one has to wonder, if these documents are so super secret, how the Washington Post could know what's in them to write about them, lol. As far as subpoenas go, let's see how valid those subpoenas even were. There have been lots of illegal subpoenas issued for purely political reasons, fishing for crimes, or just to harass people. Meh.

    It's questionable whether the President can violate the Espionage Act when he wasn't sharing the documents with anyone, lol, and because of the fact that he had sole authority to declassify them.
    Last edited by LescoBrandon; 10-17-2022 at 07:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LescoBrandon View Post
    It's questionable whether the President can violate the Espionage Act when he wasn't sharing the documents with anyone, lol, and because of the fact that he had sole authority to declassify them.
    Then Espionage Act requires that documents that could be damaging to the US defense, if shared with a foreign government, be returned on demand. It's still a violation even if the documents were not actually shared and were no longer classified. With every successive Trump scandal it becomes more and more amazing how willing you people are to try to rationalize his reprehensible, anti-American behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Then Espionage Act requires that documents that could be damaging to the US defense, if shared with a foreign government, be returned on demand. It's still a violation even if the documents were not actually shared and were no longer classified. With every successive Trump scandal it becomes more and more amazing how willing you people are to try to rationalize his reprehensible, anti-American behavior.
    So how about this. Hilary committed at least 4 felonies nd got a pretty much unprecedented pass from the FBI.
    Sooo let's give DT a pass but put out the word that there will be no more passes. Make sure the DNC and RNC are aware. Fox and CNN are aware etc.

    Or declassify the 95% of documents that don't need to be classified. Or that are classified simply to create a haystack where documents can be buried to protect the guilty

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    Then Espionage Act requires that documents that could be damaging to the US defense, if shared with a foreign government, be returned on demand. It's still a violation even if the documents were not actually shared and were no longer classified. With every successive Trump scandal it becomes more and more amazing how willing you people are to try to rationalize his reprehensible, anti-American behavior.
    The Espionage Act does not apply.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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