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    Declassifying Documents

    Trump and a LARGE number of Republicans in our government (AKA the Radical Right Republicans; AKA the Trump-Chumps; AKA the Coup-Coup Bunch) have said that we did NOT have to worry about the government documents at Mar-a-Lago, because those documents were NOT classified; and they were not classified because Trump declassified them; and thus the FBI’s action to remove those documents from Mar-a-Lago was NOT necessary.

    ● Here’s what the Trump-Chumps don’t tell you (maybe because they don’t want you to know, or maybe because THEY don’t know):

    1 - A classified document may contain “potentially harmful” information. That is, it may contain formation that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. That is: if it was seen by the wrong people, that information could compromise our methods for gathering intelligence; and/or it could cause our allies to become reluctant to share intelligence with us; and/or it could get our people killed; and/or it could get our friends killed; and/or it could put our national security at risk; and/or it could cause other things to happen that would harm our nation.

    2 - When Trump declassified a document containing “potentially harmful” information, the resulting “Trump declassified” document contained the SAME “potentially harmful” information that was in the document before he declassified it. Bottom line: A “Trump declassified” document could contain information that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. OBVIOUSLY, there is a problem with “Trump declassified” documents. And OBVIOUSLY, it is a MAJOR problem.

    This problem exists because a “Trump declassified” document is NOT a “properly declassified” document. That is, when Trump declassified a document, he did NOT follow the proper procedure for doing so. Bottom line: Trump was haphazard and sloppy when he declassified documents. (It’s as if he thought that he could magically declassify documents because he was “president”.)

    The following is the proper procedure to declassify a document: > Our intelligence people should review the document to see if it contains “potentially harmful” information. > If the document contains “potentially harmful” information, ALL of that information should be redacted. > All classification markings should be removed from the document. > The aforementioned process should be officially documented. > At that point, the document can be deemed as properly declassified.

    It should be no surprise to anyone that Trump did NOT follow the proper procedure for declassifying documents. As we ALL know, he doesn’t like to follow rules. That is, he prefers to ignore rules, just like he prefers to ignore our laws and our Constitution. (When he was in office, he was a self-proclaimed “law-and-order president”. But he was ACTUALLY a “lawless-law-and-order president”. And now, he is a “lawless-law-and-order ex-president.)

    ● Classified documents:

    > As for classified documents and Obama: Trump said that Obama did the same thing as he did. Here’s reality: Obama did NOT store his classified documents in his house. (He’s not a moron!) Obama’s classified documents are being properly and legally stored in NARA facilities.

    > As for classified documents and Hillary: The Trump-Chumps like to trash Hillary and claim that she had classified documents on her private email server. Here’s reality: The FBI found that Hillary did NOT knowingly have classified documents on her email server, because the documents sent to her did not have classification markings on them; and the FBI cleared her of any wrongdoing. (During his first run for President, Trump went berserk over Hillary’s email server. And he encouraged his supporters to chant “lock her up”.)

    > As for classified documents and Trump:
    * Trump took a LARGE NUMBER of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago which is NOT a secure location for those documents. Thus, he put our national security at risk.
    * When the government repeatedly asked him to return the classified documents, Trump gave the government the runaround. Finally, after he did that for well over a year, the DOJ took legal action to get the FBI involved.
    * Hillary NEVER took classified documents to her home. (She’s not a moron!)
    * Bottom line: Trump did FAR WORSE than Hillary. Trump’s actions put our national security at risk, but Hillary’s actions did NOT. (Question: Why aren’t Trump’s supporters chanting “lock him up“? Maybe it’s because they have a double standard. Or maybe it’s because they only believe what Trump tells them to believe.)

    And what did Trump do with the classified documents while they were at Mar-a-Lago? That is: > Did he alter them? > Did he show them to his family, his friends, his employees, and his hotel patrons, while he was bragging about himself? > Did he show them to people (foreign or domestic) to get them to like him? (For example: Did he show them to his hero, Putin (a mass murderer), in order to get Putin to like him?) > Did he sell them to people (foreign or domestic) for his personal gain? (For example: A Trump hotel in Moscow?) > Did he copy them; and if so, where are the copies? > Did he hide some of them in other locations, and they are still at Mar-a-Lago? > Did he hide some of them outside of Mar-a-Lago? > Did he plan to use them to blackmail our government and/or US allies? > Was he going to use them in a way that would have been a betrayal to our nation? (One prominent veteran’s group refers to him as “traitor Trump”.)

    Hopefully, the planned “damage assessment” will definitively answer those questions. (It should be noted by all Trump-Chumps that NO damage assessment was warranted for Hillary’s email server.)

    > When I was in the military, I worked with classified documents. If I had taken one of those documents to my dorm room, I would have been punished. Apparently, the Radical Right Republicans have a double standard on this issue; one standard for Trump, and another standard for everyone else. That is: “defend Trump and attack those who did nothing wrong” for you-know-who; and “punishment” for the rest of us.

    ● In conclusion: In addition to falsely claiming that the FBI’s action was unnecessary, Trump and his Chumps are also falsely claiming that the action was illegal and political. They are ignoring the fact that Trump did NOT properly declassify the documents, and thus it was illegal for him to store them at Mar-a-Lago. And they are ignoring the fact that Trump was repeatedly asked to return the documents to their rightful owners for well over a year. Furthermore, Trump and his Chumps are attacking the FBI, in an effort to put the lives of FBI agents at risk. Trump and his Chumps are frauds, they are irresponsible, and they are dangerous. (Does the word “lowlifes” come to mind?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStone7476 View Post
    Trump and a LARGE number of Republicans in our government (AKA the Radical Right Republicans; AKA the Trump-Chumps; AKA the Coup-Coup Bunch) have said that we did NOT have to worry about the government documents at Mar-a-Lago, because those documents were NOT classified; and they were not classified because Trump declassified them; and thus the FBI’s action to remove those documents from Mar-a-Lago was NOT necessary.

    ● Here’s what the Trump-Chumps don’t tell you (maybe because they don’t want you to know, or maybe because THEY don’t know):

    1 - A classified document may contain “potentially harmful” information. That is, it may contain formation that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. That is: if it was seen by the wrong people, that information could compromise our methods for gathering intelligence; and/or it could cause our allies to become reluctant to share intelligence with us; and/or it could get our people killed; and/or it could get our friends killed; and/or it could put our national security at risk; and/or it could cause other things to happen that would harm our nation.

    2 - When Trump declassified a document containing “potentially harmful” information, the resulting “Trump declassified” document contained the SAME “potentially harmful” information that was in the document before he declassified it. Bottom line: A “Trump declassified” document could contain information that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. OBVIOUSLY, there is a problem with “Trump declassified” documents. And OBVIOUSLY, it is a MAJOR problem.

    This problem exists because a “Trump declassified” document is NOT a “properly declassified” document. That is, when Trump declassified a document, he did NOT follow the proper procedure for doing so. Bottom line: Trump was haphazard and sloppy when he declassified documents. (It’s as if he thought that he could magically declassify documents because he was “president”.)

    The following is the proper procedure to declassify a document: > Our intelligence people should review the document to see if it contains “potentially harmful” information. > If the document contains “potentially harmful” information, ALL of that information should be redacted. > All classification markings should be removed from the document. > The aforementioned process should be officially documented. > At that point, the document can be deemed as properly declassified.

    It should be no surprise to anyone that Trump did NOT follow the proper procedure for declassifying documents. As we ALL know, he doesn’t like to follow rules. That is, he prefers to ignore rules, just like he prefers to ignore our laws and our Constitution. (When he was in office, he was a self-proclaimed “law-and-order president”. But he was ACTUALLY a “lawless-law-and-order president”. And now, he is a “lawless-law-and-order ex-president.)

    ● Classified documents:

    > As for classified documents and Obama: Trump said that Obama did the same thing as he did. Here’s reality: Obama did NOT store his classified documents in his house. (He’s not a moron!) Obama’s classified documents are being properly and legally stored in NARA facilities.

    > As for classified documents and Hillary: The Trump-Chumps like to trash Hillary and claim that she had classified documents on her private email server. Here’s reality: The FBI found that Hillary did NOT knowingly have classified documents on her email server, because the documents sent to her did not have classification markings on them; and the FBI cleared her of any wrongdoing. (During his first run for President, Trump went berserk over Hillary’s email server. And he encouraged his supporters to chant “lock her up”.)

    > As for classified documents and Trump:
    * Trump took a LARGE NUMBER of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago which is NOT a secure location for those documents. Thus, he put our national security at risk.
    * When the government repeatedly asked him to return the classified documents, Trump gave the government the runaround. Finally, after he did that for well over a year, the DOJ took legal action to get the FBI involved.
    * Hillary NEVER took classified documents to her home. (She’s not a moron!)
    * Bottom line: Trump did FAR WORSE than Hillary. Trump’s actions put our national security at risk, but Hillary’s actions did NOT. (Question: Why aren’t Trump’s supporters chanting “lock him up“? Maybe it’s because they have a double standard. Or maybe it’s because they only believe what Trump tells them to believe.)

    And what did Trump do with the classified documents while they were at Mar-a-Lago? That is: > Did he alter them? > Did he show them to his family, his friends, his employees, and his hotel patrons, while he was bragging about himself? > Did he show them to people (foreign or domestic) to get them to like him? (For example: Did he show them to his hero, Putin (a mass murderer), in order to get Putin to like him?) > Did he sell them to people (foreign or domestic) for his personal gain? (For example: A Trump hotel in Moscow?) > Did he copy them; and if so, where are the copies? > Did he hide some of them in other locations, and they are still at Mar-a-Lago? > Did he hide some of them outside of Mar-a-Lago? > Did he plan to use them to blackmail our government and/or US allies? > Was he going to use them in a way that would have been a betrayal to our nation? (One prominent veteran’s group refers to him as “traitor Trump”.)

    Hopefully, the planned “damage assessment” will definitively answer those questions. (It should be noted by all Trump-Chumps that NO damage assessment was warranted for Hillary’s email server.)

    > When I was in the military, I worked with classified documents. If I had taken one of those documents to my dorm room, I would have been punished. Apparently, the Radical Right Republicans have a double standard on this issue; one standard for Trump, and another standard for everyone else. That is: “defend Trump and attack those who did nothing wrong” for you-know-who; and “punishment” for the rest of us.

    ● In conclusion: In addition to falsely claiming that the FBI’s action was unnecessary, Trump and his Chumps are also falsely claiming that the action was illegal and political. They are ignoring the fact that Trump did NOT properly declassify the documents, and thus it was illegal for him to store them at Mar-a-Lago. And they are ignoring the fact that Trump was repeatedly asked to return the documents to their rightful owners for well over a year. Furthermore, Trump and his Chumps are attacking the FBI, in an effort to put the lives of FBI agents at risk. Trump and his Chumps are frauds, they are irresponsible, and they are dangerous. (Does the word “lowlifes” come to mind?)
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    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    The President's authority to declassify documents is NOT subject to review by the intelligence agencies or anyone else.
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    All that and all wrong.

    As soon as a President verbally declares a document declassified then it is declassified.
    There is not a set protocol. He was the final say and no one can reverse his action.

    Joe Biden can do the same thing right now and believe me when I say that does not make me comfortable.

    So the DOJ now has to prove that President Trump never declassified them by say thou est documents are henceforth declassified by the power vested in me. That is impossible unless they can prove he was a mute for his last year and he was crippled and could not use hand signals.

    So this is a stunt and the DOJ can charge him but it would never make it through trail leading toward the SCOTUS. Everyone involved worked for President Trump.

    If you want to complain about the system then we will agree but it is too late and you cannot backdate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStone7476 View Post
    Trump and a LARGE number of Republicans in our government (AKA the Radical Right Republicans; AKA the Trump-Chumps; AKA the Coup-Coup Bunch) have said that we did NOT have to worry about the government documents at Mar-a-Lago, because those documents were NOT classified; and they were not classified because Trump declassified them; and thus the FBI’s action to remove those documents from Mar-a-Lago was NOT necessary.

    ● Here’s what the Trump-Chumps don’t tell you (maybe because they don’t want you to know, or maybe because THEY don’t know):

    1 - A classified document may contain “potentially harmful” information. That is, it may contain formation that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. That is: if it was seen by the wrong people, that information could compromise our methods for gathering intelligence; and/or it could cause our allies to become reluctant to share intelligence with us; and/or it could get our people killed; and/or it could get our friends killed; and/or it could put our national security at risk; and/or it could cause other things to happen that would harm our nation.

    2 - When Trump declassified a document containing “potentially harmful” information, the resulting “Trump declassified” document contained the SAME “potentially harmful” information that was in the document before he declassified it. Bottom line: A “Trump declassified” document could contain information that could harm our nation, if it was seen by the wrong people. OBVIOUSLY, there is a problem with “Trump declassified” documents. And OBVIOUSLY, it is a MAJOR problem.

    This problem exists because a “Trump declassified” document is NOT a “properly declassified” document. That is, when Trump declassified a document, he did NOT follow the proper procedure for doing so. Bottom line: Trump was haphazard and sloppy when he declassified documents. (It’s as if he thought that he could magically declassify documents because he was “president”.)

    The following is the proper procedure to declassify a document: > Our intelligence people should review the document to see if it contains “potentially harmful” information. > If the document contains “potentially harmful” information, ALL of that information should be redacted. > All classification markings should be removed from the document. > The aforementioned process should be officially documented. > At that point, the document can be deemed as properly declassified.

    It should be no surprise to anyone that Trump did NOT follow the proper procedure for declassifying documents. As we ALL know, he doesn’t like to follow rules. That is, he prefers to ignore rules, just like he prefers to ignore our laws and our Constitution. (When he was in office, he was a self-proclaimed “law-and-order president”. But he was ACTUALLY a “lawless-law-and-order president”. And now, he is a “lawless-law-and-order ex-president.)

    ● Classified documents:

    > As for classified documents and Obama: Trump said that Obama did the same thing as he did. Here’s reality: Obama did NOT store his classified documents in his house. (He’s not a moron!) Obama’s classified documents are being properly and legally stored in NARA facilities.

    > As for classified documents and Hillary: The Trump-Chumps like to trash Hillary and claim that she had classified documents on her private email server. Here’s reality: The FBI found that Hillary did NOT knowingly have classified documents on her email server, because the documents sent to her did not have classification markings on them; and the FBI cleared her of any wrongdoing. (During his first run for President, Trump went berserk over Hillary’s email server. And he encouraged his supporters to chant “lock her up”.)

    > As for classified documents and Trump:
    * Trump took a LARGE NUMBER of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago which is NOT a secure location for those documents. Thus, he put our national security at risk.
    * When the government repeatedly asked him to return the classified documents, Trump gave the government the runaround. Finally, after he did that for well over a year, the DOJ took legal action to get the FBI involved.
    * Hillary NEVER took classified documents to her home. (She’s not a moron!)
    * Bottom line: Trump did FAR WORSE than Hillary. Trump’s actions put our national security at risk, but Hillary’s actions did NOT. (Question: Why aren’t Trump’s supporters chanting “lock him up“? Maybe it’s because they have a double standard. Or maybe it’s because they only believe what Trump tells them to believe.)

    And what did Trump do with the classified documents while they were at Mar-a-Lago? That is: > Did he alter them? > Did he show them to his family, his friends, his employees, and his hotel patrons, while he was bragging about himself? > Did he show them to people (foreign or domestic) to get them to like him? (For example: Did he show them to his hero, Putin (a mass murderer), in order to get Putin to like him?) > Did he sell them to people (foreign or domestic) for his personal gain? (For example: A Trump hotel in Moscow?) > Did he copy them; and if so, where are the copies? > Did he hide some of them in other locations, and they are still at Mar-a-Lago? > Did he hide some of them outside of Mar-a-Lago? > Did he plan to use them to blackmail our government and/or US allies? > Was he going to use them in a way that would have been a betrayal to our nation? (One prominent veteran’s group refers to him as “traitor Trump”.)

    Hopefully, the planned “damage assessment” will definitively answer those questions. (It should be noted by all Trump-Chumps that NO damage assessment was warranted for Hillary’s email server.)

    > When I was in the military, I worked with classified documents. If I had taken one of those documents to my dorm room, I would have been punished. Apparently, the Radical Right Republicans have a double standard on this issue; one standard for Trump, and another standard for everyone else. That is: “defend Trump and attack those who did nothing wrong” for you-know-who; and “punishment” for the rest of us.

    ● In conclusion: In addition to falsely claiming that the FBI’s action was unnecessary, Trump and his Chumps are also falsely claiming that the action was illegal and political. They are ignoring the fact that Trump did NOT properly declassify the documents, and thus it was illegal for him to store them at Mar-a-Lago. And they are ignoring the fact that Trump was repeatedly asked to return the documents to their rightful owners for well over a year. Furthermore, Trump and his Chumps are attacking the FBI, in an effort to put the lives of FBI agents at risk. Trump and his Chumps are frauds, they are irresponsible, and they are dangerous. (Does the word “lowlifes” come to mind?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    The President's authority to declassify documents is NOT subject to review by the intelligence agencies or anyone else.
    There’s no evidence that Trump declassified all of the documents he took from the White House. And none of the three statutes cited in the warrant application require that the documents involved be classified. If Trump had documents that contained information about the national defense that could be used by a foreign power to harm the US (regardless of classification status) and failed to return them on request, he committed a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    There’s no evidence that Trump declassified all of the documents he took from the White House. And none of the three statutes cited in the warrant application require that the documents involved be classified. If Trump had documents that contained information about the national defense that could be used by a foreign power to harm the US (regardless of classification status) and failed to return them on request, he committed a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.
    This explains why the government let him keep them for 18 months.





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    I recognize the style, and the play on the posters name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Booman View Post
    This explains why the government let him keep them for 18 months.
    You guys need to make up your minds. You complain that DOJ should have given Trump more time to comply voluntarily, and then when it’s pointed out that they gave him multiple chances to comply and he kept withholding documents, you blame DOJ for taking too long before going in and taking the documents back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    You guys need to make up your minds. You complain that DOJ should have given Trump more time to comply voluntarily, and then when it’s pointed out that they gave him multiple chances to comply and he kept withholding documents, you blame DOJ for taking too long before going in and taking the documents back.
    Trump complied with the specifics of first subpoena. All they had to do was get other one specifically for what they wanted. Thsts all.
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