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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    I was waiting for that one.

    Time has always existed.

    You may have been waiting, but you obviously weren't ready.

    A clock does not measure times, it measures the movements of a mechanism.

    Saying that 28,800 turns of the gears which spin the second hand equals what we call an 'EIGHT HOUR SHIFT' when it is in reality a meager attempt to measure 'TIME' on a localized scale

    Time" is a human construct. It gives us structure. It is nothing more than that. You can't go "forward in time" or "back in time" because there is "there" there.
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    How thin of a slice of there is there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    That then begs the question of why many of those premonitions never pan out. Did the seer just mis-see them? Or, did they change based on the actions of man?
    Have you not considered that perhaps the 'SEER' was as phony as the televangelists?

    A key of these types is to predict as many things, that are possible, as possible.

    Once that is done, some of them have to come true.

    At that point they point to their 1% accuracy rate and say 'SEE I TOLD YOU SO, NOW GIMME SOME MONEY!'
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Maybe. I'm not all that up on what a multiverse is.
    But, the idea of time is pretty fascinating.
    A multiverse is difficult to wrap one's head around at first ... it was for me at least, but it is most likely the safety valve built into the universe that allows free will in a determinist universe.

    Put simply, it allows ... actually demands ... that everything which is possible to happen, will happen. Every decision ever made would create a new timeline and history would play out in that universe on its own path separate from this universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Have you not considered that perhaps the 'SEER' was as phony as the televangelists?
    A key of these types is to predict as many things, that are possible, as possible.

    Once that is done, some of them have to come true.

    At that point they point to their 1% accuracy rate and say 'SEE I TOLD YOU SO, NOW GIMME SOME MONEY!'
    I think most seers are phonies.

    Otherwise, they'd be winning lotteries like crazy.

    When I think of someone who might have tapped into a future event, I think more along the lines of the person who "sees" the death of a loved one, or dreams it, a week or so before it happens.

    What are premonitions? What is deja-vu when you've never been to a place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I think most seers are phonies.

    Otherwise, they'd be winning lotteries like crazy.

    When I think of someone who might have tapped into a future event, I think more along the lines of the person who "sees" the death of a loved one, or dreams it, a week or so before it happens.

    What are premonitions? What is deja-vu when you've never been to a place?
    There was a local radio comedian who called a psychic on the air claiming they had a $40M winning lottery ticket they had misplaced and would gladly pay 10% to anyone who could find it for him.

    The 'SEER' asked a few qualifying questions and learned he fell asleep in bed looking at the ticket, so check the bed.

    Then you hear the comedian walk down the hall, open a door, mumble in the background and screaming "WOO-HOO! THERE IT IS! I'M RICH!"

    Then you hear the walking down the hall again and the guy picks up the phone and tells the psychic "NOPE! IT WASN'T THERE! I'VE GOT TO GO!"

    The psychic replies that he heard him in the background saying he had found it.

    The comedian replied "SO WHAT? YOU'RE THE PSYCHIC, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT I'M A LIAR!" and hangs up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    A multiverse is difficult to wrap one's head around at first ... it was for me at least, but it is most likely the safety valve built into the universe that allows free will in a determinist universe.

    Put simply, it allows ... actually demands ... that everything which is possible to happen, will happen. Every decision ever made would create a new timeline and history would play out in that universe on its own path separate from this universe.
    Speaking of the multiverse- from a German chick-scientist.


    The Multiverse: Science, Religion, or Pseudoscience?

    Why do physicists believe there are universes besides our own? I get a lot of questions about the idea that we live in this “multiverse”. Is it science, religion, pseudoscience, or just wrong? That’s what we’ll talk about today.

    The topic of this video is covered in more detail in my new book Existential Physics.


    First things first, what’s a multiverse? You may guess that’s a new form of poetry, and you wouldn’t be entirely wrong. A multiverse is a collection of universes, either infinitely many or a number so large no one’s even bothered giving it a name. It’s an idea that has sprung up in some esoteric corners of theoretical physics and has, not so surprisingly, caught the imagination of science fiction authors, script-writers, and also the public. And it is poetic somehow, isn’t it, all those universes out there.

    There isn’t just one multiverse but several different ones, so multiple multiverses, if you wish. The multiverse shouldn’t be confused with the metaverse, which is what universes evolve into when they’ve been fed enough Zuckerberg candy.


    How many different multiverses do we have? Well, Brian Greene has written a book in which he lists 9 different ones, but you know how scientists are, the moment the book came out they jumped up to complain about what wasn’t on his list. And I can totally understand that. I mean, everyone knows that a list needs ten items. Nine is just not right. So let me just briefly run through the three types of multiverse that you most often hear about.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    What exactly do you mean by "foreseeing" the future? Is that, to you, the same as predicting it, or even imagining it? (Elsewhere you referred to "accessing" the future, and I'm not really sure what you mean by that, either.)
    What I meant was that 'FORESEEING' the future as in knowing for a 100% certainty that X will happen at Y time at Z location.

    For that to happen would require that the future already exists ... analogous to remembering the future.

    Sorry that I missed this earlier, and I resurrected this old thread because MV suggested that we discuss time next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    What are premonitions? What is deja-vu when you've never been to a place?
    Oddities.
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