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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
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    Still far too many trusting souls of the mainstream media...

    This might or might not be true, but it sounds pretty iffy to me.

    Patrick Lawrence actually uses a mainstream source to back up his assertions. From the article:

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    A short while later The Telegraph reported that its correspondent had found no evidence to support Ukrainian claims of large body counts—one official asserted they had found 1,000 bodies—and none indicating that any of the victims had been tortured.
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    It's not like this is the first time Ukraine has made up tall tales of a mass grave. Patrick Lawrence actually pointed out a similar incident wherein Ukrainian officials made up an even bigger number:

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    Eva Bartlett, a Canadian correspondent, reminds me of Wilfred Burchett in a way: She reports from “the other side” and has no use for anybody’s orthodoxies. She did this to effect in Syria, and before that in the Palestinians territories. Earlier in the Ukraine conflict, she traveled to a site nine miles outside Mariupol where it was widely reported the Russians had dug and filled a mass grave with—get set for this—9,000 Ukrainians. This is a lot of Ukrainians to bury all at once. But all the big dailies, never stopping to think things through, went with the story Ukrainian officials gave them. Nine thousand it was.



    No mass grave, Bartlett found. Her piece featured interviews with local officials and witnesses, video segments, photographs. She found an orderly, undisturbed cemetery with orderly, undisturbed grave markers. She showed us pictures of same. She spoke to the grave-diggers, who were mystified by the reports of a mass grave.
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    Patrick Lawrence: So Far As I Can Make Out | Scheerpost



    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Invading forces taking the time to bury the war dead of their enemy?
    I don't think it was that hard for the Russian army to dig a hole and put 17 bodies into it. The alternative would have been to leave them their to rot or to burn them, both of which would stink up the area Russian troops were in considerably. Russia's also been concerned about their public image from day 1.
    Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why are some "conservatives" so desperate to cover up Obama and Biden's interference in Ukraine? Why are they so desperate to support the liberal narrative about Russia? WTF is wrong with these cucks?
    It's almost like blind allegiance to the Kurds or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I don’t know.

    Just as I don’t know why some so called conservatives are so willing to relieve Russia of all responsibility for their actions here. Just as it’s odd how many of those same people continually blame America for every problem across the globe. Then when you challenge those people they call you a “government apologist” or something far more ignorant.
    Can this Conservative not relieve Putin of his responsibilities AND not support pouring billions into this irrelevant to America conflict? And I don't see Conservatives blaming America for every problem except for self-inflicted ones. We don't call it the Putin price hike, we call it the Biden economy. We don't blame the UN, we think they're inept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Can this Conservative not relieve Putin of his responsibilities AND not support pouring billions into this irrelevant to America conflict? And I don't see Conservatives blaming America for every problem except for self-inflicted ones. We don't call it the Putin price hike, we call it the Biden economy. We don't blame the UN, we think they're inept.
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    When American soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the Women and children all came out and greeted the soldiers. When the Russian soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the women and children went and hid.
    This statement may very well be true. Oposite can be true as well.
    Since you say American troops in Europe, i'm guessing WWII. (Getting a bit confused from there Russians you mean prior to 1917, or after 1991? Otherwise - Soviet soldiers. This is not hair splitting mind you!
    Same big difference as German og Nazi Germany soldiers.)
    Exept form German villages, rest of Europe greeted Soviet troops as liberaters. My guess is, German civilians were getting different treatment then the rest of Europe from the Soviets, cuz of all accumulated hatered from atrocitis commited by Wermacht/SS during ocupation of European part of USSR.
    Again, you reap what you sow!
    Did't take much will for US troops to show restrained towards enemy civilians since their home mainland(US) never seen same devastation as USSR. None the less, planty of German/Japan towns were razed to the grond with huge civilian casualtys.
    Imagine animosity soldier would have if they had their home towns burned to the ground and familys raped and murdered! It is very easy to claim high morale ground, but none of us know for sure how we would act in a specific
    situation until we are in it. We all would like to belive that we would choose the path of righteousness, act akin a hero, but there is simply no way to know it for sure beforhand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    When American soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the Women and children all came out and greeted the soldiers. When the Russian soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the women and children went and hid.
    Funny part is, i bet Soviets indeed did more raping of German female population, but inflicted far less casualties on German civilians then US/Brit infamous air raids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenyx View Post
    …It's not like this is the first time Ukraine has made up tall tales of a mass grave….
    Mass graves in Ukraine are not tall tales. They are a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    You are a skipping record. Same thing over and over again. I’d actually enjoy kicking your feeble ass.

    There’s no doubt that Russian forces have committed atrocities / war crimes in Ukraine. Just as they have in every conflict they’ve engaged in. If you want to excuse them or blame America, that’s on you.
    I am certain I am not the only one who has noticed your penchant for pronouncements of certainty where you know the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    When American soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the Women and children all came out and greeted the soldiers. When the Russian soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the women and children went and hid.
    I see you skipped over the part where the US deliberately targeted millions of civilians in Germany and Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Mass graves in Ukraine are not tall tales. They are a reality.
    It's a giant warzone. Of course there are "mass graves" there. That's what happens in wars no matter who wages them. Grow up.
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