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    Why are some "conservatives" so desperate to cover up Obama and Biden's interference in Ukraine? Why are they so desperate to support the liberal narrative about Russia? WTF is wrong with these cucks?
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    Maybe Russia committed an atrocity and maybe they didn't. I have no idea and neither does that idiot Tahu. What we do know for sure is that Tahu only cares about atrocities when someone besides the US or its allies commits one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    All I'm doing is pointing out your hypocrisy. I realize why that upsets you so much.
    What hypocrisy? There’s none on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The US is responsible for multiple destructive invasions that killed tons of civilians. Government apologists like you have no place pointing your finger at other governments. It's obscenely hypocritical.
    lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why are some "conservatives" so desperate to cover up Obama and Biden's interference in Ukraine? Why are they so desperate to support the liberal narrative about Russia? WTF is wrong with these cucks?
    I don’t know.

    Just as I don’t know why some so called conservatives are so willing to relieve Russia of all responsibility for their actions here. Just as it’s odd how many of those same people continually blame America for every problem across the globe. Then when you challenge those people they call you a “government apologist” or something far more ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Maybe Russia committed an atrocity and maybe they didn't. I have no idea and neither does that idiot Tahu. What we do know for sure is that Tahu only cares about atrocities when someone besides the US or its allies commits one.
    Obviously Russian forces have committed several acts in Ukraine which rational people would call atrocities. Failing to acknowledge this are the people who could be referred to as idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Obviously Russian forces have committed several acts in Ukraine which rational people would call atrocities. Failing to acknowledge this are the people who could be referred to as idiots.
    You are always most certain where you have the least information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You are always most certain where you have the least information.

    You are a skipping record. Same thing over and over again. I’d actually enjoy kicking your feeble ass.

    There’s no doubt that Russian forces have committed atrocities / war crimes in Ukraine. Just as they have in every conflict they’ve engaged in. If you want to excuse them or blame America, that’s on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
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    Still far too many trusting souls of the mainstream media...

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    “Ukraine war: Mass exhumations at Izyum forest graves site:” This is the headline on the BBC’s report, written from Izyum by Orla Guerin. The text is heavy on the atmospherics and gives prominence to a prosecutor from the Kyiv Justice Ministry

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    As it turns out, The Times and the Beeb [BBC] have reason to be careful this time. What appears to have occurred in Izyum during Russia’s occupation and what is now being discovered stand in direct contradiction to the assertions of the Ukrainians they quote to establish a clear version of events without putting their names to it.


    An Associated Press video [posted below] shot in Izyum during the Ukrainian authorities’ guided tour last week reports there is a single mass grave containing the bodies of 17 Ukrainian soldiers, not civilians and not hundreds or a thousand. “It was surrounded by hundreds of individual graves,” The AP notes in a superimposed caption.

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    Patrick Lawrence: Atrocity Porn | Scheerpost


    The AP video:


    The truth will eventually come out.
    It already has. Patrick Lawrence makes short work of the Ukrainian narrative here, in this case actually using a mainstream media source to back him up. It's certainly not the first time Ukraine's lies have been exposed either. Patrick Lawrence comments on another tall tale being exposed to reality in an article from August:

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    Eva Bartlett, a Canadian correspondent, reminds me of Wilfred Burchett in a way: She reports from “the other side” and has no use for anybody’s orthodoxies. She did this to effect in Syria, and before that in the Palestinians territories. Earlier in the Ukraine conflict, she traveled to a site nine miles outside Mariupol where it was widely reported the Russians had dug and filled a mass grave with—get set for this—9,000 Ukrainians. This is a lot of Ukrainians to bury all at once. But all the big dailies, never stopping to think things through, went with the story Ukrainian officials gave them. Nine thousand it was.

    No mass grave, Bartlett found. Her piece featured interviews with local officials and witnesses, video segments, photographs. She found an orderly, undisturbed cemetery with orderly, undisturbed grave markers. She showed us pictures of same. She spoke to the grave-diggers, who were mystified by the reports of a mass grave.

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    Patrick Lawrence: So Far As I Can Make Out | Scheerpost
    Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    Would you climd down that white horse alredy?! US's has it's own history of atrocities to worry about!
    The rest of the world does't cry foul every time your forces engage in a new conflict abroad.
    What few of us trying to say is, we can't see why they would do that! For what reason?
    And don't give me that, just cuz they are russians. I would bet, they have more reason not to commit/allow those acts in this conflict.
    When American soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the Women and children all came out and greeted the soldiers. When the Russian soldiers walked into a village in Europe, the women and children went and hid.
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