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Thread: Stacey Abrams says 'no such thing' as 6-week fetal heartbeat: 'Manufactured sound'

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Science-wise, she's on the right track. Sort of. There is no "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks…
    A heart beat starts about five to six weeks into a pregnancy.
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    Often, you can hear a heartbeat at 5 weeks, a sonographer can detect a heartbeat at 6 weeks.

    A heartbeat indicates life, it can't mean anything else.
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    Abortion and raising taxes are two things liberals will always support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Abortion and raising taxes are two things liberals will always support.

    And, illegals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Abortion and raising taxes are two things liberals will always support.
    You can add transgendering children to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Not really.
    Then explain the beat that does not match the mothers from the tube that forms the heart. It is a heart beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Well, that was odd.

    Wrong.

    And, odd.

    In a way, you're just like Abrams. Neither one of you really have a handle on what's happening.
    Well, I have a good enough handle on it to know that your side is trying to find new and creative ways to justify murdering a baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    That's an excellent presentation of the facts, but it does not make the case this is a "manufactured sound" that is part of some nefarious plot by men to control women's bodies. Abrams is playing games with the truth for political purposes.
    You cannot hear a “heart beat” from an embryo at 6 weeks using a stethoscope. You may be able to see it using an ultrasound. But it would be accurate to say that any heartbeat you heard in a prolife propaganda video would need to be manufactured.

    Seeing as historically men formed a majority of Congress and the judiciary, it would also be accurate to say that “men were the ones who were controlling women’s bodies”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Science-wise, she's on the right track. Sort of. There is no "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks. There is no heart so there can't be a heartbeat, and the embryo isn't a fetus for a few more weeks, so the sound can't scientifically be termed "fetal."

    There is, however, the development of a cardiac tube that will eventually become a heart if the embryo survives. That tube begins a rhythm around the sixth week. So, she likely knows there is no heart beating at that gestational point, but she doesn't know what's going on.

    One thing -- abortion ban terminology isn't based on science for the most part. A good example would be the so-called heartbeat bills. They would be more accurate if termed, "cardiac tube activity" bills.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/women...ancy-rcna24435

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I suppose pro-lifers are trying to humanize what the pro-abortionists try to dehumanize what we already know biologically and medically is a living human being from conception.
    I don't personally see abortion as ever being a good thing, but the question becomes at what point government has an obligation to protect that human life. "Potential life" is a rabbit hole. Should a man be prosecuted for masturbation because he wasted the "potential" for creating a life? I'm not an expert on it, but I think the Church has seen it that way. An egg has the "potential" to become a human life. Should a fertile woman always attempt to become pregnant all the time because she would otherwise waste that potential? It sounds extreme but I wouldn't doubt there are people who would see it that way. The line needs to be drawn somewhere and the logical point in my mind is when the infant could at least in theory survive outside the womb. At that point it can be argued that an independent life is now involved, and government could have the moral authority to protect that life, or at least apply legal consequences if it is terminated.
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