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    In the case of people like Alex Jones they are just acting to collect money from the vulnerable people that believed what they read on 4tran or motherjones as their sources.
    Alex Jones gets rich scarring and selling you things. Motherjones, even as it is dying is only down to 86 million for 2021.

    Lies are very profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    DDT is far from perfect, but it is still the most effective agent in use for the prevention of Malaria. In 2006, The WHO began supporting the use of DDT INDOORS in areas with a high incidence of Malaria.



    No, THEY are not all facts. Some things have been learned. Certain government claims have been invalidated and proven false, but not ALL of them. Again, we see that very wide brush painting a false picture of the truth.




    Another false statement. Most conspiracy theorists are just people who have a hole in their lives and need to fill it with something. The way that usually works is they come up with some ridiculous theory about something and then say "Disprove it". There are aliens living in a huge underground complex near Dulce, New Mexico. Prove it isn't so.




    Questioning things is good. Not accepting the facts because they aren't what you want them to be is not so good.

    I will accept your replies and not counter even though I don't agree with most of what you said. I think your alright, either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    How about the "people who still have faith" in an undereducated egomaniac former t.v. game show host, despite the mountains of evidence that he is a liar and a criminal many times over?
    Exactly why no one will pay attention to the screams of the left.

    Under educated? Certainly not true. Now Bill Gates is certainly under educated. Zuckerberg is under educated, Just dropouts using your standards. Trump earned his degrees.

    Game show host? Rhetoric of idiots. He was a very successful business person that was asked to host the reality show because of his reputation of success. You can claim he got a good start but almost everything he touched turned to gold, legally. The 3 casinos all made him tremendous amounts of money before the USA and States change gambling laws to allow gambling in almost every state.

    Criminal? Where are the convictions? You sound like Richard and Now_What.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I guess I need to clarify something. When I suggested that people who believe conspiracy theories tend to be stupid and lazy, I was referring to the really ridiculous, borderline insane examples. I would be among the first to agree - and I have done so - that some things commonly dismissed as "conspiracy theories" probably strike closer to the truth than some people (and governments) would like. I would put "moon landing hoax" stories in the "borderline insane" category, along with pretty much anything Alex Jones has ever said.

    Some folks dismiss the CIA's (and others') involvement in the JFK assassination as being one of these; I don't. (To be honest, I've had a hard time letting go of TWA Flight 800 and I wouldn't say I'm all the way recovered from that one, but I'm getting there.)

    As suggested by my posted link to another TPF thread, I categorize theories that "the left" wants to destroy Western democracy in the "batsh*t crazy" file, as well. Many components of "the left" today have some squirrely ideas, as any honest person must admit, but dismissing and demonizing all liberal positions as being all part of a plot to end America? Again, stupid and lazy.
    Yes, some are crazy. Q is like that. Entertaining to read though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The proliferation of the internet has resulted in an explosion of conspiracy theories and theorists. Prior to message boards and conspiracy blogs, the people who espoused these theories were basement dwelling crackpots and homeless people suffering from mental illnesses.

    With the explosion of the information super highway, came the proliferation of these elaborate theories and delusional claims. While some conspiracy theories are based in fact, many mote are based solely on an inherent distrust of government and the belief in grand schemes perpetrated by shadowy forces. Some are based on a sliver of truth, but most are based on ridiculous theories that most sane people would laugh at.

    Psychologists have studied this phenomenon (dismissed as deep state propaganda by the conspiracy nuts), and have discovered that essentially adherence to conspiracy theories gives less informed people a false sense of intelligence and superiority. And the first down the rabbit hole people go, they will believe more and more unrealistic theories. It becomes self fulfilling. And the irony is that they believe everyone else is gullible. Itís actually a pretty tragic phenomenon that has divided families and ended friendships.

    Unfortunately, this trend isnít going away anytime soon.

    I think you're right to an extent. But, to be fair, I remember visiting with folks at a reunion a couple of decades ago and someone brought up the theory that the moon landing was faked and a fair number of people agreed. I was like, WTF? But, I said nothing.

    There's a gal at my gym that I used to hang out with a bit more than I do these days, but she got into Facebook-ing and she started "sharing" all sorts of conspiracy theories. It got to the point where I really couldn't have a discussion with her without her saying that $#@!. Crazy $#@!. So, I kind of blew her off--I didn't want to hurt her feelings but I didn't want every workout session to turn into a conspiracy rant.

    So, in my case, it's pretty much an ended friendship. Maybe she was always that way, but maybe we had more in common when we were discussing our kids, our jobs, and things like that. Now that she's exposed to the underbelly of whacked-out ideas, she's become entrenched. I miss my friend, but she's gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I think you're right to an extent. But, to be fair, I remember visiting with folks at a reunion a couple of decades ago and someone brought up the theory that the moon landing was faked and a fair number of people agreed. I was like, WTF? But, I said nothing.

    There's a gal at my gym that I used to hang out with a bit more than I do these days, but she got into Facebook-ing and she started "sharing" all sorts of conspiracy theories. It got to the point where I really couldn't have a discussion with her without her saying that $#@!. Crazy $#@!. So, I kind of blew her off--I didn't want to hurt her feelings but I didn't want every workout session to turn into a conspiracy rant.

    So, in my case, it's pretty much an ended friendship. Maybe she was always that way, but maybe we had more in common when we were discussing our kids, our jobs, and things like that. Now that she's exposed to the underbelly of whacked-out ideas, she's become entrenched. I miss my friend, but she's gone.
    As someone noted earlier, the tendency to believe even the nuttiest "theories" may be connected with a desire to be seen as being more knowledgeable than others. I think we've all been around people who had a habit of coming out with "facts" prefaced by "I'll bet you didn't know that...", and then letting you in on something you happen to know is completely untrue. In some cases I think it also probably has to do with seeing the world in very black-and-white terms; this is especially the case with political conspiracy theories. Just as a very religious person, who sees every aspect of the world as being either good or evil, might attribute everything they see as good to God and everything they believe to be bad to the Devil, an individual who lacks the ability (or the willingness) to see nuance and complexity in social matters and interactions, world events, etc. might take the easy way out, in terms of learning and reasoning, and simply blame "the other guy" for all of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I guess I need to clarify something. When I suggested that people who believe conspiracy theories tend to be stupid and lazy, I was referring to the really ridiculous, borderline insane examples.
    The term "conspiracy theory" is already preloaded with those kinds of negative connotations. The entire point of the term "conspiracy theory" is to smear people as "ridiculous", "insane", etc. Trying to draw some distinction between sane and insane "conspiracy theories" only highlights how nebulous and ultimately subjective the term is. After all, who gets to decide which ones are "sane" and which ones are not?

    I would be among the first to agree - and I have done so - that some things commonly dismissed as "conspiracy theories" probably strike closer to the truth than some people (and governments) would like.
    Probably? There is thousands of years of recorded history documenting the many enormities of governments. All the worst crimes in history were committed by governments. The US government is no exception. In fact, it is one of the worst offenders. And that's not a "theory", conspiracy or otherwise. It's just a statement of fact. The Iraq war BY ITSELF makes the US government one of the most odious organizations in human history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Far more of them turn out to be fantasy.
    Only according to your purely subjective understanding of the term "conspiracy theory".
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    The Democratic party and their accomplices in the media championed, and even normalized to some extent, a political conspiracy regarding the 2016 election. Some of you ( you know who you are) should really just STFU.
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    It seems the phrase conspiracy theory is used when someone wants to dismiss another person's opinion.

    They are all conspiracy theories, until they aren't.
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