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Thread: Historians Trash DeSantis' Understanding of U.S. History—'Beyond Ignorance'

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    You've never heard of Cato (Jemmy), who led the most violent colonial slave rebellion (the Stono Rebellion) and who is alleged to have explicitly spoken out against slavery as some of his last words before he was killed?
    When was this Cato revolt?

    Whats that? 50 years before the COTUS?

    Who we’re they revolting against?

    Whats that? The British?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Some. Sadly, many black Americans have been fed a steady diet of nonsense for decades.
    And we shouldn't hesitate to say so. Leftists may cry 'racist' for telling the truth but they can go forth and fornicate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris
    When the founders cited Locke's, actually Christianity's notion that all men were created equal, they were confronted with the contradiction of slavery and many like Jefferson acknowledged it was wrong and debated it (3/5ths compromise) but didn't know how to solve it.
    The 3/5ths Compromise was not saying that some people were only 3/5ths of a person. Abolitionists didn't want slaves counted for the purposes of the census and enumeration so that white voters in slave states weren't over-represented. They ultimately compromised to count 3/5ths of the slave population, which gave white voters in slave states more voting weight than voters in other states.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb
    The fundamental problem with DeSantis’s comment is that it does not consider slaves to be “people.”
    They were not considered "people" with a capacity to contract. So legally they were political non-entities.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb
    You've never heard of Cato (Jemmy), who led the most violent colonial slave rebellion (the Stono Rebellion) and who is alleged to have explicitly spoken out against slavery as some of his last words before he was killed?
    There have been lots of slave rebellions throughout history. The point is that societies, particularly their political classes, rarely considered slavery something to debate. For example, the Nat Turner rebellion produced a debate for a more humane slavery, promoted by authors such as Thomas Dew. The Book of Exodus, Spartacus, and so forth are well known, but didn't spawn a worldwide movement to eradicate slavery. In fact, New York City had anti-abolitionist riots in 1834. The Gentleman's Riot in 1835 Boston was also directed against abolitionists. The Snow Riot in 1835 Washington, DC was against freed blacks, because many were opposed to having to compete with freed slaves who drove prices down--the very same reason Donald Trump is popular with working class blacks and whites who don't want to compete for unskilled work against illegal immigrants. The Cincinnati riots of 1836 and of 1841 was a similar story. The murder of Elijah Lovejoy and the burning of Pennsylvania Hall were also anti-abolitionist. By the 1850s, riots started getting directed toward immigrants.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb
    He's also ignoring the long-standing Quaker opposition to the institution of slavery, something that began in the British colonies in the 17th Century.
    That's part and parcel of the American Revolution, as it was heavily influenced by non-COE Protestants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Some. Sadly, many black Americans have been fed a steady diet of nonsense for decades.
    It's like Sowell was saying in that video I posted of him talking about it's deliberate and calculated by 1% and the other 99% just follow along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    US History is leftist, who knew, you guys are just too bright for historians even. Seems you have lots of company.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    They know better but deliberately lie about it in pursuit of an agenda.
    ^^^ This. Such liars should be ignored, as should anybody who buys into that rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    DeSantis: "Nobody had questioned it before we decided as Americans that we are endowered by our creator with inalienable rights and that we are all created equal. Then that birthed abolition movements."

    Germantown Quaker Petition Against Slavery



    I see no difference in their reasoning.
    But, there is a difference of around 90 years from when they made the argument and when DeSantis claims the argument was first made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    But, there is a difference of around 90 years from when they made the argument and when DeSantis claims the argument was first made.
    Those Quakers made no difference compared to the revolutionary declaration of equal rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Those Quakers made no difference compared to the revolutionary declaration of equal rights.
    Again, DeSantis said nothing about what made a difference. He said that "no one had questioned" slavery before the American revolution. That is a false statement. And you could just dismiss this as a typical political blather, were not not for the fact that he said it in defense of his efforts to have the state take control of the curricula for all public schools in Florida, even up to the public university level, and impose a far more right-wing message through that curricula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Those Quakers made no difference compared to the revolutionary declaration of equal rights.
    Richie is so petty. lol
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