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    Why Is Putins Army Inept?

    This article focuses on the technological disadvantages.Russian spies couldnt steal US tech as fast as the US industrial base could continually improve on it (Moores Law).The other problem with the Russian military is due to the nature of an authoritarian state.Officers cant be too competent as that poses a coup risk.Enlisted are trained to only follow orders and to not take initiative.I think that even had the Russians kept up technologically, their performance would still be lacking because of the culture that keeps the military more of an unimaginative tool of the State.

    Why Is Putins Army Inept? - The American Spectator | USA News and Politics

    Whatever happened to the Russian Army? For that matter, whatever happened to the Russian Air Force or the Russian Navy, whose flagship is now at the bottom of the Black Sea? The answer is nothing. Nothing has happened to the Russian military for 50 years, and President Vladimir Putin should have thought twice before heaving his armed forces into a war.


    Their disastrous performance puts me in mind of an appearance I made on CNNs Capital Gang on December 2, 1989. That was 33 years ago. The show the New York Times that many things that were characteristic of the Cold War should be abandoned. Incidentally, I was never invited back to Capital Gang.
    I do not know who the Gangsters on Capital Gang used for sources, but I always checked my sources thoroughly before appearing on television. This time all my sources agreed. The Cold War was finished. The problem was that the Red Armys generals were convinced that continuing the Cold War would bankrupt the Soviet Union, just as President Ronald Reagan had predicted when he launched the arms race a decade earlier. The problem was that the communists could not build machine parts to compete with the free markets output. The Cold War was over.




    The news from Ukraine suggests that Russia never caught up with the West. It tried to catch up, but it failed. So, it relied on stealing weaponry from the West, mainly from the United States. Apparently, that was not good enough. Russian spies were not as productive as Western technology. Time and again throughout the Cold War, the West would move ahead in technology and the Russians would steal the Wests secrets in order to catch up. It worked occasionally, but in one area their stealing was utterly futile: the microchip. When Moores Law came into play in the 1980s, the Wests advantage became increasingly apparent, apparent and invincible. Moores Law predicted that the processing power of chips would grow exponentially, leaving the Soviets capacity to replicate Western chips and other advances far behind. Today Western advances are dwarfing Russian developments. (READ MORE from R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.: The Noose Tightens on Putin)

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    For 50 years, with the help of Moores Law and the technological know-how to use it, the Western powers have been developing superior weapons while the Russians have been copying filched weapons that, by the time they are brought back to Russia, are likely already dated. The Russian military understood in 1989 that it could not keep up with the West in such endeavors as machining parts, and apparently it understands today that the situation still has not changed. The simple fact is that the free-market system, working in a free society, is more innovative and productive than the statism of Russia. My spies again tell me that it is the military that understands once again Moscows predicament.


    Back in the 1980s, a Russian general understood that communications technologies and the computer chip and sensor were revolutionizing war. Gen. Nikolai Ogarkov, chief of the Soviet General Staff, predicted that long-range, highly accurate, terminally guided combat systems, unmanned flying machines and qualitatively new electronic control systems were on the horizon. Yes, Ogarkov, but how could Moscow adapt your vision to Putins economic model?
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    They stole all they needed, they just didn't have the means to develop and use what they stole. They have crappy old targeting systems, for one, and have to resort to carpet bombing and shelling, while the Ukrainians have some precision weapons that are much more effective. They can only make crude copies of the chips they've stolen, or buy Red Chinese junk. If American companies weren't falling all over themselves giving away our military tech to Red China, they would be in the same boat as Russia. And, the Israelis don't mind selling our tech to our enemies either, something to consider when those next aid and trade deal things come around again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    They stole all they needed, they just didn't have the means to develop and use what they stole. They have crappy old targeting systems, for one, and have to resort to carpet bombing and shelling, while the Ukrainians have some precision weapons that are much more effective. They can only make crude copies of the chips they've stolen, or buy Red Chinese junk. If American companies weren't falling all over themselves giving away our military tech to Red China, they would be in the same boat as Russia. And, the Israelis don't mind selling our tech to our enemies either, something to consider when those next aid and trade deal things come around again.
    You are right about their targeting systems. Russian missiles, including its newer cruise missiles (which have had the lowest kill rates) have excessive failure and miss rates. Will their tactical nuclear weapons have this same problem?Of course they don’t have to be as precise, but missile failure is still in play.

    Lessons from Russian Missile Performance in Ukraine | Proceedings - October 2022 Vol. 148/10/1,436 (usni.org)

    The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has involved the largest use of land-attack missiles in history, with launches from all basing modes. On 21 March, the Pentagon stated that the “Russians have launched more than 1,100 missiles,” and that “they have also suffered a not-insignificant number of failures of those munitions.” Four days later, the Pentagon added that “they’re still launching a lot of missiles,” but Russia was experiencing “a significant amount of [missile] failure” including “failure to actually launch or failure to hit the target.”

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    Excessive Failure Rate

    On 25 March, the Pentagon confirmed press reports that various Russian missiles were experiencing failure rates of 20 to 60 percent (failure was defined as the inability to launch or hit the target) with “cruise missiles, particularly air-launched cruise missiles” having the lowest kill rates. Reportedly, some missiles did not explode even when they hit their targets. Thus, in addition to the reliability and quality control problems with the missiles, they apparently have a fusing problem.
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    The Soviets:

    - As noted, promotions are based on fealty to the state and not actual competence.

    - The Soviet military is designed to be used as a defensive force that relies heavily on trains to mobilize quickly to trouble areas. When they had to get off the rails at the Ukraine border they floundered.

    - Putin paid for, and was told he had, a first world military that was at least comparable to the US. They shystered him ... and then they started falling out of windows and down flights of stairs.

    - The people see no threat from Ukraine.

    - The soldiers being sent to die are mainly conscripts from the sticks who don't give a ding diddly darn whether, or not, Putin reunifies the USSR.
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    I would say 'corruption' is the #1 issue with the Russian military's ineptness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    You are right about their targeting systems. Russian missiles, including its newer cruise missiles (which have had the lowest kill rates) have excessive failure and miss rates. Will their tactical nuclear weapons have this same problem?Of course they don’t have to be as precise, but missile failure is still in play.

    Lessons from Russian Missile Performance in Ukraine | Proceedings - October 2022 Vol. 148/10/1,436 (usni.org)

    The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has involved the largest use of land-attack missiles in history, with launches from all basing modes. On 21 March, the Pentagon stated that the “Russians have launched more than 1,100 missiles,” and that “they have also suffered a not-insignificant number of failures of those munitions.” Four days later, the Pentagon added that “they’re still launching a lot of missiles,” but Russia was experiencing “a significant amount of [missile] failure” including “failure to actually launch or failure to hit the target.”

    ***

    Excessive Failure Rate

    On 25 March, the Pentagon confirmed press reports that various Russian missiles were experiencing failure rates of 20 to 60 percent (failure was defined as the inability to launch or hit the target) with “cruise missiles, particularly air-launched cruise missiles” having the lowest kill rates. Reportedly, some missiles did not explode even when they hit their targets. Thus, in addition to the reliability and quality control problems with the missiles, they apparently have a fusing problem.

    Thanks for the new source, I didn't have that one; it's better than the ones I had read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    The Soviets:

    - As noted, promotions are based on fealty to the state and not actual competence.

    - The Soviet military is designed to be used as a defensive force that relies heavily on trains to mobilize quickly to trouble areas. When they had to get off the rails at the Ukraine border they floundered.

    - Putin paid for, and was told he had, a first world military that was at least comparable to the US. They shystered him ... and then they started falling out of windows and down flights of stairs.

    - The people see no threat from Ukraine.

    - The soldiers being sent to die are mainly conscripts from the sticks who don't give a ding diddly darn whether, or not, Putin reunifies the USSR.
    In other news, sources keep claiming Russian patriotism is high. I think the log jams at her borders of people desperate to get out tell another story, though. Don't personally know which is the more accurate, but don't care much since the vermin has been threatening nukes, more than once, and scum who do that need to die immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    They stole all they needed, they just didn't have the means to develop and use what they stole. They have crappy old targeting systems, for one, and have to resort to carpet bombing and shelling, while the Ukrainians have some precision weapons that are much more effective. They can only make crude copies of the chips they've stolen, or buy Red Chinese junk. If American companies weren't falling all over themselves giving away our military tech to Red China, they would be in the same boat as Russia. And, the Israelis don't mind selling our tech to our enemies either, something to consider when those next aid and trade deal things come around again.
    Which enemies?
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Thanks for the new source, I didn't have that one; it's better than the ones I had read.
    I most likely found it on RealClear-Defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    In other news, sources keep claiming Russian patriotism is high. I think the log jams at her borders of people desperate to get out tell another story, though. Don't personally know which is the more accurate, but don't care much since the vermin has been threatening nukes, more than once, and scum who do that need to die immediately.
    Amend that: patriotism is high outside of the draft eligible population.
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