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    The needless act to 'protect' marriage

    Protect marriage?

    The needless act to 'protect' marriage

    There are two things to remember about the Respect for Marriage Act. One, it is unnecessary. And two, it's going to become law.

    ...The act would codify gay marriage in the United States. The reason it is unnecessary is that the Supreme Court has already declared, in the 2015 Obergefell decision, that gay marriage is a constitutional right....

    Indeed, in Dobbs, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, author of the decision, took care to specify that the question of marriage is far different legally from the question of abortion because nobody gets killed....

    ...There is no evidence that any other justice agrees with Thomas and much evidence that they don't. It appears that Thomas is a lone voice call for a review of Obergefell.

    ...But the bill did more than say, "Gay marriage is legal." It created what is called a "private right of action" for anyone to sue any government agency, official, contractor, or partner who did not recognize gay marriage. It could, in other words, become a gay marriage lawsuit machine.

    ...Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) offered another amendment that he said would solve the problem. It said the federal government "shall not take any discriminatory action against a person, wholly or partially on the basis that such person speaks, or acts, in accordance with a sincerely held religious belief, or moral conviction, that marriage is or should be recognized as 1) a union of one man and one woman; or 2) two individuals as recognized under federal law."

    That, supporters of the amendment argued, would fix the deficiencies of the original bill. But the Senate refused to take up Lee's amendment....

    Once the act is finally passed and signed into law, we will see whether it is simply a redundant protection of gay marriage already protected by the Supreme Court as a constitutional right or whether it is a lawsuit factory leading to a new wave of activism against religious conservatives around the country. We don't know what will happen. But we do know that activists love to file lawsuits, and they have just been given a new way to do so.
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    Consistent with the Orwellian theme of naming legislation, the "Respect for Marriage Act" does no such thing.

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    I think Thomas is correct but there is one exception. The institution of marriage has to be able to cross state lines. That automatically puts it in Federal jurisdiction. There was no need for abortion law to involve crossing state lines.
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    It doesn't impact me and, frankly, it doesn't impact anyone I know.

    That there is no evidence that any other Justices agree with Thomas, there's no evidence that they don't, and that needs to be considered just as strongly, especially considering the subject matter.

    I don't see why anyone would be upset about this...

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    It's not a 75% issue. Republicans should leave this alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    No doubt there are fears that the conservative Court will tackle Obergefell next, so, while it's still constitutional, they want to pass legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Street Glider View Post
    It doesn't impact me and, frankly, it doesn't impact anyone I know.

    That there is no evidence that any other Justices agree with Thomas, there's no evidence that they don't, and that needs to be considered just as strongly, especially considering the subject matter.

    I don't see why anyone would be upset about this...
    I don't think people are really upset but the discussion is more about the consistency of the court. A comment by Thomas about how overturning Roe could impact other rulings sent the loony left into a frenzy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No doubt there are fears that the conservative Court will tackle Obergefell next, so, while it's still constitutional, they want to pass legislation.
    Why? Who has filed a challenge to it and where is it in the courts. SCOTUS doesn't decide what gets filed in lower courts.
    This is a boogey man tactic of the left.

    But I do think the legislature should remove all legislation that was created to raise and protect children.

    DINKs should have no special advantages over two people that decide to live together.
    Many of them get married for exactly that reason.
    They even maintain separate bank accounts and pay half the bills each. But they get the lower income tax rates, extended benefits from employers and extended benefits from government for SS and inheritance.
    Last edited by carolina73; 11-19-2022 at 12:14 PM.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No doubt there are fears that the conservative Court will tackle Obergefell next, so, while it's still constitutional, they want to pass legislation.
    They won't "tackle" it unless it's challenged and they agree to hear it. They aren't going to do it on their own.
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    Thomas is daring someone to fight gay marriage. I don't think other justices see it the same as abortion. There is a long history of a right to marriage. Not sure the court or the government has the right to change the traditional definition.
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